The demise of Qantas international flights

[BD1959]

IIRC Qantas was in talks with MH last year or the year before to have an Emirates style agreement but obviously this didn't work out and they now fly to Dubai not Kuala Lumpur. That being said, it would make sense for Qantas to fly to KUL, but that doesn't mean they'll necessarily do it..

Meanwhile, MH make MEL-KUL 3x Daily ......


Regards,

BD

 

[Mattg]

Being both members of oneworld, QF and MH really should be working with, not against each other!

 

[eastwest101]

Yes from QF's point of view - it is strange that given that they knew that they were going to launch JQ Hong Kong in CX's back yard and inevitably annoy CX in the process, that they would try to co-operate a bit more with another OneWorld member located in SE Asia? I expect that it may not have all been QF's fault that MH and QF do not play nicely together....

 

[wandering_fred]

Did QF have the monopoly or were they always competing with CX? Perhaps there is enough demand to sustain only one carrier.

The above referring to HKG-CNS...

If QF can't support PER-HKG????

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[Fruitcake]

Being both members of oneworld, QF and MH really should be working with, not against each other!

QF isn't allowed to collude on pricing with MH.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

not sure where to put this but seems relevant here.

just had feedback from a cx diamond (earned with monthly fully flex fares to Europe in business and intra Asia business class trips each month).

they took the qf a330 HKG-australia recently. their feedback? 'mediocre, not poor'

reasons.. old seats, food presentation terrible and service too slow.

would they fly QF again? only if the fare and schedule was compelling.

this seems to be valuable feedback? if you can improve your services maybe more people fly with you? (hence profit)

 

[Aussie_flyer]

The A330 cabin upgrade is already announced. Food presentation is pretty good on QF imo

 

[marki]

The service Melbourne to Hong Kong was really bad yesterday 29th Sept. In Economy. Expensive tickets almost no food service. Very delayed. Clearly disabled flight attendant unreliable with information.

The food was ok good quality once it came. Finally.

 

[Limewood]

The above referring to HKG-CNS...

If QF can't support PER-HKG????

Well that hit nerve, I do one or two flights CNS/HKG/CNS each year and have done so past 7 years, why QF ever gave up this sector direct years ago I have no idea because CX fights are usually near full or full, 3 days are direct flights, 4 days are via BNE and they get big $ for seats too like Y about $1400 and J about $7K!!. The direct CX flight is only 7 hours, real nice dosh for a short trip.

 

[under the radar]

Clearly disabled flight attendant unreliable with information.

please explain!!

 

[drron]

Well the QF A330 flight BKK-SYD last week in J I would also class as mediocre.Topped off when in SYD we were delivered to the cargo terminal.
Doubt we would fly this service again so coming back will probably be BKK-SIN-SYD.And use BA SIN-SYD.
The CX A330 flight HKG-BKK a week earlier just blew QF away.1-2-1 instead of 2-2-2 in J was perfect.

 

[Fruitcake]

Well that hit nerve, I do one or two flights CNS/HKG/CNS each year and have done so past 7 years, why QF ever gave up this sector direct years ago I have no idea because CX fights are usually near full or full, 3 days are direct flights, 4 days are via BNE and they get big $ for seats too like Y about $1400 and J about $7K!!. The direct CX flight is only 7 hours, real nice dosh for a short trip.

How many of the Australian pax joining that flight in CNS have HKG as their destination? CX is offering one-stop flights from CNS to dozens of ports around the world (and the people in FNQ that I know who use CX tend to do so for exactly that reason). QF and CX don't play well together, and gut feel says the CNS-HKG O&D market is pretty thin, especially when inbound tourism is still fairly weak.

 

[Limewood]

Yes it is a great hub HK, but getting there from CNS direct is not cheap, flying out of HK is.

 

[markis10]

How many of the Australian pax joining that flight in CNS have HKG as their destination? CX is offering one-stop flights from CNS to dozens of ports around the world (and the people in FNQ that I know who use CX tend to do so for exactly that reason). QF and CX don't play well together, and gut feel says the CNS-HKG O&D market is pretty thin, especially when inbound tourism is still fairly weak.

Only 2K each way in a month for CNS HKG, hardly viable for two airlines, for comparison BNE is 13K each way.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Cathay serve Cairns from their hub. Qantas serve Cairns from their hub.

 

[Limewood]

Cathay serve Cairns from their hub. Qantas serve Cairns from their hub.

We are all hoping this comes off, watch Qantas and the rest then. Will know end of Dec next they told me.

 

[Melburnian1]

I couldn't see that this had yet been posted so my apologies if the search did not bring up where it had.

CX has announced extra direct flights from between ADL or CNS and HKG from March 2014:

Cathay aims to counter Qantas-Emirates Asia stronghold

Once again, QF has failed to maintain a presence in these markets. With CX set to eliminate triangular Australian flight routings (such as HKG - ADL - MEL - HKG), its MEL flights will prove even greater competition to QF's frequencies.

The continued expansion by CX, MH, SQ and D7, the commencement of London flights by PR and next year GA, the attractive (as in 'cheap') Kangaroo route fares offered by BI, CZ ('Canton route') and a host of others (which in fairness QF is also offering) begs the question: how sustainable are QF's Asian flights when it offers at most two flights a day in either direction from SYD to a small number of major Asian destinations, and one, less than one a day or nil to many other important cities in Asia compared with these competitors who sometimes offer at least three flights a day in each direction from major Oz cities to the particular Asian airline's home base?

I do not doubt that QF will continue to attract a relatively small, though loyal, following of Australian nationals but is that sufficient for long term viability?

 

[maroonone]

And MH coming to DRW soon with less than $4500 J to LHR even over XMAS.

 

[Isochronous]

With the AA-US merger does SFO become more viable - i.e. more AA/US combined feed? I still think a WestJet agreement should be pursued to open up the Canadian market.

PER-MLE is a left field idea that I also rather like.

 

[maninblack]

I do not doubt that QF will continue to attract a relatively small, though loyal, following of Australian nationals but is that sufficient for long term viability?

No it is not.