Thou shalt not enter Business Class

[burmans]

Civil Liberties? You mean it's now written into the US Constitution that all Americans have the right to walk through Business Class?

Let me ask this, if a passenger has the right to walk wherever they want on a plane, where does it end? The galley as the crew are preparing meals? The cabin during taxing or take off and landing? How about the cough pit? Where does it end?

Some passengers are just cough, and that's being polite. Some people love pushing the boundaries for the sake of it, without due thought for the wider consequences!

Trouble with this theory is that this implies there actually is a federal regulation you can't walk through Business Class. There however is a rule you can't be in the coughpit. I'd suggest this is a silly post, the law does actually say some fairly specific things about where you can't go and when and the air crew are perfectly entitled to enforce those laws (as they have the right under those laws to do), what they don't have the right is to do is abuse those entitlements in areas to which those rights don't extend.

If you are going to get all uppity about laws and regulations then it's relevant what those laws and regulations actually say and don't just make stuff up. While I understand that people do exactly this all the time that doesn't make it right under the law.

 

[oz_mark]

Let me ask this, if a passenger has the right to walk wherever they want on a plane, where does it end? The galley as the crew are preparing meals? The cabin during taxing or take off and landing? How about the cough pit? Where does it end?

I don't even get why they think there needs to be a law against it. Even on the ground there are plenty of places where you can be restricted from going - staff only areas, private dining areas in restaurants, etc, etc, and I would doubt that all of those would have laws backing them. The property owners can more or less who can access where, and I don't understand why it should be any different on an aircraft.

 

[mannej]

Trouble with this theory is that this implies there actually is a federal regulation you can't walk through Business Class. There however is a rule you can't be in the coughpit. I'd suggest this is a silly post, the law does actually say some fairly specific things about where you can't go and when and the air crew are perfectly entitled to enforce those laws (as they have the right under those laws to do), what they don't have the right is to do is abuse those entitlements in areas to which those rights don't extend.

If you are going to get all uppity about laws and regulations then it's relevant what those laws and regulations actually say and don't just make stuff up. While I understand that people do exactly this all the time that doesn't make it right under the law.

The article made reference to obeying lighted signs, placards and crew instruction being an FAA reg. Now that being the case, if there was a placard stating no access to business during flight, does that not fall in line with having to obey the FAA regulation there?

Just asking.

 

[Newk]

I've done that once. I must admit I got a bit worried as I was approaching the F curtain on the way back that a flight attendant from Y might stop me, thinking I was a recalcitrant Y passenger. Then again, I think I was wearing the F pyjamas...

yep, wandering the plane in the PJs gives a certain authority to re-enter the upper classes

 

[Awesom Andy]

So do you mean that pool time is on a rotation type basis.

Think further back... a lot further back. Pre-world war times. :shock:

 

[sometimeflyer]

yep, wandering the plane in the PJs gives a certain authority to re-enter the upper classes

Although apparently the PJ's don't always work perfectly: Four Continents and 37,000 Miles in Two Weeks: Qantas A380 First Class Singapore to London - One Mile at a Time

 

[burmans]

The article made reference to obeying lighted signs, placards and crew instruction being an FAA reg. Now that being the case, if there was a placard stating no access to business during flight, does that not fall in line with having to obey the FAA regulation there?

Just asking.

I think you probably need to do your own investigations here but my investigation would suggest that the regulations allow them to post signs/placards and instruct on specific (and lawful ) matters, e.g. §*121.317***Passenger information requirements, smoking prohibitions, and additional seat belt requirements. :: PART 121--OPERATING REQUIREMENTS: DOMESTIC, FLAG, AND SUPPLEMENTAL OPERATIONS :: CHAPTER I--FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF allows them to have sign about smoking or seatbelts.

My investigation (and has been backed up by others investigation as well) is that the only need to obey relates to the above, and safety instructions, this is not a generic you must obey whatever they say and indeed a perhaps more correct definition that is used is that you must obey lawful crew instruction.

Makes sense really, an extreme example maybe but if your crew member instructed you to shoot your seatmate do you really think you would be forced to? Its clearly never going to be an unfettered right.