Time for QF to maximise revenue streams?

[BD1959]

Hi All,

With the announcement of the further grounding of QF's International Fleet, $b in cost savings and need to source investment, I'd have thought QF would be looking at *every* avenue for revenue. Couple this with various cries (here and elsewhere) on the unavailability of QF F going forward.

Like some here, I'm looking at getting to international destinations - denied by the current groundings/border closures ASAP. I have a good credit balance sitting with a TA ready to go as soon as it safe to do so. Consequently I am keeping a watchful eye on what is possible etc a couple of months out. I'm also about 400SCs away from LTG - and would be there now if not for the events since March - and am keen to lock that away ASAP.

Consequently, I've been looking for QF codeshare opportunities. I'd have thought that with an announcement such as today's - and the subsequent predictable headlines across most of our personal hand-held devices ("Qantas brutal plan" ... etc) that QF would be looking to maximise what it can from the opportunity. However looking to book flights to, say, Manchester in November on QF.com provides me with options of QF A380 flights via Singapore (which QF say won't fly) as opposed to codeshares on EK which EK are telling will.

Puzzled, I went over to EF to investigate whether QF had pulled codeshares on EK ... I knew the "special relationship" had become more "mundane marriage" - I wasn't aware of the full divorce! Surprisingly, I see QF codeshares scattered across numerous EK flights, where the EK flights having plenty of availability however the QF flights are all zeroed out.

I'd have thought now - more than ever - QF would be looking at *any* and *every* opportunity to raise revenue, mindful that they supply related to that revenue may also be deferred again down the track.

Thoughts - not just on this but other revenue possibilities - on QF missing revenue?

Regards,

BD

 

[p--and--t]

Hi All,

With the announcement of the further grounding of QF's International Fleet, $b in cost savings and need to source investment, I'd have thought QF would be looking at *every* avenue for revenue. Couple this with various cries (here and elsewhere) on the unavailability of QF F going forward.

Like some here, I'm looking at getting to international destinations - denied by the current groundings/border closures ASAP. I have a good credit balance sitting with a TA ready to go as soon as it safe to do so. Consequently I am keeping a watchful eye on what is possible etc a couple of months out. I'm also about 400SCs away from LTG - and would be there now if not for the events since March - and am keen to lock that away ASAP.

Consequently, I've been looking for QF codeshare opportunities. I'd have thought that with an announcement such as today's - and the subsequent predictable headlines across most of our personal hand-held devices ("Qantas brutal plan" ... etc) that QF would be looking to maximise what it can from the opportunity. However looking to book flights to, say, Manchester in November on QF.com provides me with options of QF A380 flights via Singapore (which QF say won't fly) as opposed to codeshares on EK which EK are telling will.

Puzzled, I went over to EF to investigate whether QF had pulled codeshares on EK ... I knew the "special relationship" had become more "mundane marriage" - I wasn't aware of the full divorce! Surprisingly, I see QF codeshares scattered across numerous EK flights, where the EK flights having plenty of availability however the QF flights are all zeroed out.

I'd have thought now - more than ever - QF would be looking at *any* and *every* opportunity to raise revenue, mindful that they supply related to that revenue may also be deferred again down the track.

Thoughts - not just on this but other revenue possibilities - on QF missing revenue?

Regards,

BD

Without knowing the facts on either side, equally, could EK have decided it only wants to sell seats where it gets all the revenue and doesn't share with QF?

 

[ABC]

I do find it very strange and on the face of it a missed opportunity by Qantas to bring in some revenue by selling other airlines flights (i.e. Emirates) as a QF codeshare.

Being based in the UK the one I miss is the London to Dubai flight which even after Qantas stopped their own metal on the route was available on Emirates sold by Qantas on a QF code for some time. From what I recall the QF/EK fares on the route used to align, but after Qantas stopped flying to book Emirates under the QF code had higher fare. Potentially I suppose Emirates could have been getting the same money either way regardless and Qantas were adding a bit on top for their cut.

I assumed in the case of London to Dubai that the loss of the QF code was perhaps due to Qantas no longer having a right to sell or operate the route.

I certainly does seem to be the case that rather than strengthening over the years the relationship between Qantas and Emirates is fraying at the edges.

I would love the see the trend reversed and Emirates joining Oneworld Connect, as they already have a realtionship with Qantas, JAL and Malaysian so potentially enough partners to join and enable earning of Qantas Status Credits on an EK code. Unfortunately though it is just a pipe dream and will never happen. Qatar would of course be a barrier to full Oneworld membership.

 

[BD1959]

They're back!!

Only seems to be flexible tickets for the moment, but EK Codeshares are appearing in EF for Qantas flights to the UK at least - and only in the one direction.

Earliest I can find is Aug-29 to FCO, Sep-2 to LHR, CDG, FRA.



Pricey on QF.com

Regards,

BD

 

[AIRwin]

They're back!!

Only seems to be flexible tickets for the moment, but EK Codeshares are appearing in EF for Qantas flights to the UK at least - and only in the one direction.

Earliest I can find is Aug-29 to FCO, Sep-2 to LHR, CDG, FRA.

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Pricey on QF.com

Regards,

BD

I noticed that QF8409 is showing as Daily even though EK409 is W,F,Sa...

 

[trippin_the_rift]

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Thoughts - not just on this but other revenue possibilities - on QF missing revenue?

Regards,

BD

Bit of insight from a non-flight revenue perspective.
QF, like most other airlines, have let go of a lot of staff.

The staff who are still at work, are unmotivated, overworked and frankly couldn't give a hoot about generating revenue for the business.
It's more about 'keeping their job', rather than generating extra revenue.

If you pitched some amazing offer that would make QF $100M cash tomorrow without any work required by QF - you'd struggle to get a meeting.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

I don't think that QTMC does spending classifications, (apart from paying bpay, or paying the ATO/other similar authorities), unlike VGW who majorly vet out a lot of earning places where cards are accepted, QTMC could make their earn rate 0.5 points per Aud$1 spend domestically.
A lot of things spent on normal expenses, under VGW do not earn points, if they don't fall into the "travel" category.
Not sure if QTMC knows this, but they are onto a winner, as of now, as people who need to have a mastercard debit, or can't have a real credit card, have the QTMC.
Not sure what risk Heritage Bank/QTMC has, if we are using our own money to spend, and not incurring a debt to them, that they have to make us earn only a measly 0.25 points per Aud$1 spent domestically.
Its too troublesome to book Qrestaurants, so that one is out for me, I preferred the old way, where we could present just the QFF card to earn, instead of having to make a booking.
I don't use rental cars, or BPme/BP rewards, or Uber or AirBNB, and hotels are out at the moment, WWR is very good, (going back to EDR), am already with Aus super...

 

[jb747]

My understanding is that the entire EK/QF deal was extremely one sided, with EK capturing virtually all of the revenue. QF made a slight saving via cancelling some services, but Dubai was incredibly expensive to operate to, with levels of holding unseen anywhere else. The divorce should have happened within the first week, but was allowed to drag on.....