Transferring Points to GF

[Maca44]

what do you mean by this, as in, say that my address and her address BOTH are at her place???? is this so it looks like I live at that address or is there a different intention?

Yes, when you book it just have both of you reside at the same address and would tend to negate any questions of not being defacto.

 

[haydensydney]

If they believed it not to be valid , all they need to do is cancel the booking and suspend the FF account until the member proves otherwise

Sure, they could do that - but has anyone here had that happen to them or do they know of anyone that it has happened to? I think one would be hard pressed to find someone who has had this experience.

My thoughts are that the restriction was put in place to restrict the possibility of members selling their points for cash - which would be of concern to the airline.

 

[SOPOOR]

fair enough,

I knew that you couldnt just buy a ticket for anybody because that would eliminate the need to have a family only transfer!!

it was mentioned that I should put my address at her place, but is this just for the ticket or for the entire qantas frequent flyer account???

I don't intend to have too many defactos in my lifetime, let alone in a short period of time, so yes, it would be very hard for qantas to disprove me,'

also I have no status credits or status at all since I only travel the cheapo airlines, so I don;t have much to lose, unless they close my account which I have lots of points!!!!

its good to here that others do tickets for even brother in laws and claim defacto!!

 

[straitman]

If they believed it not to be valid , all they need to do is cancel the booking and suspend the FF account until the member proves otherwise

Do you really think QF would bother closing and account like that and risk a wrath of bad publicity if they got it wrong :?:

 

[SOPOOR]

I guess if everybody was abusing the system, they might introduce warnings, or penalties of some sort,

I dont see the problem in giving points to anybody or to get tickets for anybody,

unless they havea problem with people selling points to strangers...

 

[drewbles]

I guess if everybody was abusing the system, they might introduce warnings, or penalties of some sort,

I dont see the problem in giving points to anybody or to get tickets for anybody,

unless they havea problem with people selling points to strangers...

As mentioned above, you can book a ticket using your points and have the ticket issued in another persons name. Your points, and you just pay the taxes. That's going to solve all problems and risks of getting caught, no matter how small the chances.

 

[JohnK]

If they believed it not to be valid , all they need to do is cancel the booking and suspend the FF account until the member proves otherwise

Who is going to check?

Do you honestly believe there is someone at Qantas sitting at a desk looking at all points transfers and award bookings and thinking "Ah this does not look like it is genuine". Qantas would not be wasting their time. Forget what is written in the terms and conditions. It was put there to discourage people from doing it not stop them.

I would be very surprised if anyone was ever caught and had their points forfeited and account suspended. And if they were caught it was because someone dobbed them in not Qantas finding out through random checks....

 

[SOPOOR]

Who is going to check?

Do you honestly believe there is someone at Qantas sitting at a desk looking at all points transfers and award bookings and thinking "Ah this does not look like it is genuine". Qantas would not be wasting their time. Forget what is written in the terms and conditions. It was put there to discourage people from doing it not stop them.

I would be very surprised if anyone was ever caught and had their points forfeited and account suspended. And if they were caught it was because someone dobbed them in not Qantas finding out through random checks....

yep, agree, what a waste of resources, however, that being said, the bigger the company. the more they seem to lack logic in my eyes,

anyway, I believe that they will probably only investigate if someone dobs you in, or maybe if you have too many redemptions under too many different names, possibly different surnames, and/or if there is a massive audit just becuase they decide to and audit everyone, and once again, thats probably a big IF!!

As mentioned above, you can book a ticket using your points and have the ticket issued in another persons name. Your points, and you just pay the taxes. That's going to solve all problems and risks of getting caught, no matter how small the chances.

yes, agree, however, the rules for issuing tickets to other people is the same as the rules for family transfers, so thats why I was getting peoples opinion first, I would have just assumed that the criteria/chances of getting caught would be the same for either, but as people have mentioned here, seems highly unlikely unless you really abuse the system

 

[equus]

It was put there to discourage people from doing it not stop them.

And even more importantly, to give them a basis for taking action if they should ever need to. The condition is there, and can be enforced if necessary. The fact that there is currently no particular need to enforce this doesn't mean something may come up which makes it necesary. Having the conditions present means there is no need to add them before any action could be taken.

 

[SOPOOR]

As mentioned above, you can book a ticket using your points and have the ticket issued in another persons name. Your points, and you just pay the taxes. That's going to solve all problems and risks of getting caught, no matter how small the chances.

not quite, because the terms and conditions for Family transfers are basically the same as for buying tickets for other people,

if you are legally allowed to buy tickets for other people then, everybody would be just doing that, instead of family transfers once per year

 

[equus]

If you are legally allowed to buy tickets for other people then, everybody would be just doing that, instead of family transfers once per year

Yes and no. Everybody should be doing that, rather than using Family Transfer for just redeeming tickets. There is little point in using Family Transfer simply to redeem points for a ticket directly - as you correctly point out, the T&C governing who you can redeem for match who you can transfer to, so you don't need to "waste" the transfer and go through the intermediate step.




I only know of 2 really valid reasons for using Family Transfer.

1. Pooling points to allow a redemption. If you need 100K points to redeem a single ticket, and you each have only 50K, then Family Transfer will allow you to get enough in a single account to make it happen.
2. Using higher status for upgrade requests, especially for multiple people on the same PNR. The requests (all or nothing) for 2 people need all the points to come from the one account - and more importantly, you would always want that to be the higher status traveller in order to get higher up the lottery queue.

 

[Blackadder]

Recently purchased a flight on a Oneworld partner for my GF, points were deducted from my account, and the ticket was issued as normal.

 

[SOPOOR]

Recently purchased a flight on a Oneworld partner for my GF, points were deducted from my account, and the ticket was issued as normal.

Great! gives me more confidence I can buy my GF a flight to Bali/Thailand/Singapore!!!

Im assuming you had to pay tax and that went all AOK?

 

[Blackadder]

It was a AA domestic flight, only had to pay $2.50 in charges.
Put in my Amex details and done

 

[Mal]

And even more importantly, to give them a basis for taking action if they should ever need to. The condition is there, and can be enforced if necessary. The fact that there is currently no particular need to enforce this doesn't mean something may come up which makes it necesary.

I don't know of anyone who has had to justify their "relationships" to other parties. I think it's a case of "la la la" from Qantas, but like you say the stick is there and ready to whack if required. In 5 years time for example, Qantas could
do an audit on an account and request proof.

My assumption (and that's all it is), is that if you aren't in the business of having "too many" relatives, or otherwise getting onto their radar by selling flights on ebay for example, then you should be ok... but that stick is ready!

(And my view on the whole matter is similar to Dave Noble's . I'm well on my way to LTG - should hit it in a couple of years, and I'm not willing to risk that to save a few $)

 

[SOPOOR]

(And my view on the whole matter is similar to Dave Noble's . I'm well on my way to LTG - should hit it in a couple of years, and I'm not willing to risk that to save a few $)

is there a link to the benefits of LTG, as Im quite new to it....

 

[Mal]

is there a link to the benefits of LTG, as Im quite new to it....

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