Travel to 2020 Tokyo Olympics

[trevella]

We've just been told that no spectators will be allowed at any of the Greater Tokyo venues.

 

[tomlee1986]

We've just been told that no spectators will be allowed at any of the Greater Tokyo venues.

Not surprising due to the virus spread in japan! Also the games is to buy time for possible military action on China!

 

[Quickstatus]

As there is no travel to the Tokyo Olympics for spectators and families (except for a recalcitrant premier looking for a photo op)
Any posts not specifically relating to travel to Tokyo are technically off topic - like this one.

The IOC has also restructured the bidding process to make it easier and cheaper

All done behind the scenes now.
No transparency
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Majority by a large margin of Japanese do not want the Games
Toyota is not going to air their Olympic advertising, their chairman is not attending but Anna is...
Another negative story about Equestrian Australia selections.
It has never been about the athletes - they just provide the content
No spectators allowed and those who paid tickets wont get all of it back. Significant fees payable to monopoly ticket vendors.

Coates saying Brisbale Oly will be cost neutral? and the operating costs only 4.5 billion?. What a crock.
1)Note that coates never said capital costs - just operational cost.
2)4.5 billion is also cheap compared to recent other Games
3) Also note how Coates counts the 4.5 billion operational cost.
He says the 4.5 billion is made up of 2.5B contribution by IOC, 1B revenue from tickets, 1B revenue from sponsorship = 4.5 B
When you make the expenditure the same as income of course it will be the same
4) If that is so why is the Queensland and Federal Govt have to tip money in?therefore breakeven.
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Anyone interested in Olympics costs should read this paper:

Regression to the Tail: Why the Olympics Blow Up

The Olympic Games are the largest, highest-profile, and most expensive megaevent hosted by cities and nations. Average sports-related costs of hosting are $12.0

papers.ssrn.com

 

[drron]

It may come to pass that Australia hosting the Games has not been the best decisions the IOC has made.
It could be said Melbourne marked the beginning of the end of amateurism,Sydney marked the beginning of the end of affordable Games and Brisbane may be the beginning of the end of the Games as a whole.

Went back and read the costs associated with the Sydney Games.QLD authorities should have read this before putting their hand up.

In 2000, the Auditor-General of New South Wales reported that the Sydney Games cost A$6.6 billion, with a net cost to the public between A$1.7 and A$2.4 billion.[10][11] Many venues were constructed in the Sydney Olympic Park, which failed in the years immediately following the Olympics to meet the expected bookings to meet upkeep expenses.[12] In the years leading up to the games, funds were shifted from education and health programs to cover Olympic expenses.[13]

It has been estimated that the economic impact of the 2000 Olympics was that A$2.1 billion has been shaved from public consumption. Economic growth was not stimulated to a net benefit and in the years after 2000, foreign tourism to NSW grew by less than tourism to Australia as a whole. A "multiplier" effect on broader economic development is not realised, as a simple "multiplier" analysis fails to capture is that resources have to be redirected from elsewhere: the building of a stadium is at the expense of other public works such as extensions to hospitals. Building sporting venues does not add to the aggregate stock of productive capital in the years following the Games: "Equestrian centres, softball compounds and man-made rapids are not particularly useful beyond their immediate function."[14] In the years after the games, infrastructure issues have been of growing concern to citizens, especially those in the western suburbs of Sydney. Proposed rail links to Sydney's west have been estimated to cost in the same order of magnitude as the public expenditure on the games.

2000 Summer Olympics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Quickstatus]

Equestrian centres, softball compounds and man-made rapids are not particularly useful beyond their immediate function.

Rio is a perfect example of disused olympic facilities. Could someone explain the connection between Brazil and Golf?
Sochi is a ghost town
Sydney olympic park - enough said

 

[Scarlett]

Rio is a perfect example of disused olympic facilities. Could someone explain the connection between Brazil and Golf?
Sochi is a ghost town
Sydney olympic park - enough said

Challenge accepted.

When we're allowed to travel again and I end up visiting Brazil, I'll be playing golf at the Olympic course in Rio.

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Note 1: amongst other courses there, I'll probably play four or five games over two different locations, one of which will be Rio.
Note 2: assuming the course still exists... which is probably a 30% likelihood and sort of makes your point!

 

[Quickstatus]

I'll be playing golf at the Olympic course in Rio.

But what's Brazil's connection to Golf? You would be one of the few people to play golf in Brazil.. Beware of the crocodiles in the vicinity...

 

[Scarlett]

But what's Brazil's connection to Golf? You would be one of the few people to play golf in Brazil.. Beware of the crocodiles in the vicinity...

That's sort of like asking what's the worlds connection to golf. There are golf courses in about 160 countries, many you would probably ask the same question about. I've played golf in 70 of them. (Belarus, Jordan, Egypt, Tonga, Laos... you could ask the same question about them)

Btw, there's about 75 golf courses in Brazil.

The better point you might be making is why is golf in the olympics? (to which I'd answer that it's probably a more global sport than Greco-roman wrestling, dressage, Nordic biathlons or the luge - but it would still be a good question)

 

[Happy Dude]

There's a lot of sports at the Olympics that have no particular connection to or popularity in the host country.

As an avid golfer and fan, particularly of the traditions/history of the professional and elite amateur aspect, I wasn't excited to see golf re-introduced to the Olympics. No kid golfer ever pretends they're putting to win an Olympic medal, and no pro-golfer would swap a tournament win for a gold medal. The top pros avoided Rio citing Zika but the reality was they relished a week off without sacrificing ranking points in competitions that mattered for their career.

With the exposure it brings, and it would be hard to argue that pro golf is under-exposed, it may kickstart growth in some countries, but that's not an issue in countries that did well in Rio - Sweden/UK for men and Korea for the women. So until a 'minnow' wins which is highly unlikely, the same result could be achieved by making it amateur only, which would not only be fascinating but also greatly satisfying for the purists. And there'd be more eyeballs on the comp if there it wasn't the same format as every other week in pro-golf.

I'd also say that having sports like golf, tennis, basketball - where athletes are already well known and/or rich, distracts and detracts from sports where the Olympics are the pinnacle, like fencing, rowing, equestrian, archery, track and field, etc. I know I'd love to watch those far more.

 

[kamchatsky]

I'd also say that having sports like golf, tennis, basketball - where athletes are already well known and/or rich, distracts and detracts from sports where the Olympics are the pinnacle, like fencing, rowing, equestrian, archery, track and field, etc. I know I'd love to watch those far more.

I think those sports were introduced so that more people will watch the Olympics. At the end it is all about money.

Otherwise why they are considering bringing cricket to Olympics in the future? it is all about the market at the sub-continent.

 

[Happy Dude]

I think those sports were introduced so that more people will watch the Olympics. At the end it is all about money.

Otherwise why they are considering bringing cricket to Olympics in the future? it is all about the market at the sub-continent.

Absolutely. But at the expense of eyeballs on the other sports, sadly. The IOC sold their soul a long time ago.

 

[kamchatsky]

Absolutely. But at the expense of eyeballs on the other sports, sadly. The IOC sold their soul a long time ago.

The issue here is that Olympics has been so expensive to run, with all these new facilities being built, you need “popular “ sports to ensure enough eyeballs are watching, which in turn translate to TV rights values.

 

[Quickstatus]

But at the expense of eyeballs

At the expense of local infrastructure/services which would have benefited a lot more people than the very few in Rio who can play golf.
…. Especially in Rio…

 

[Happy Dude]

At the expense of local infrastructure/services which would have benefited a lot more people than the very few in Rio who can play golf.
…. Especially in Rio…

I don't think there's a city on earth that could host the games if the selection criteria included "does not need to improve local infrastructure/services". Building the course probably created many jobs. Maintaining and operating the course also continues to provide employment for a significant number too, probably more than you think. And having a world class course brings in tourists too (see above), so the benefits might be a bit more far-reaching than you think.

I'm simply suggesting that golf doesn't belong at the Olympics, not just the Rio games.

 

[Happy Dude]

The issue here is that Olympics has been so expensive to run, with all these new facilities being built, you need “popular “ sports to ensure enough eyeballs are watching, which in turn translate to TV rights values.

Yep. Crazy amounts of money. I'm reminded of a joke (?) that I can't fully remember about the cost of the London games by a British comedian whose name I can't remember, that ended with "...but you can't put a price on a bronze medal in cycling". It'll be interesting to watch the budgeting for BNE2032.

 

[downtheback]

Such a shame reading the OP from 2 years ago, to how different things are today. I missed out on experiencing the 2000 Olympics first hand, will definitely be heading up to Brisbane for 2032 for the canoe slalom.

As for cities that could host with minimal fuss, Melbourne has to be up there. Three outdoor stadiums, four indoor/outdoor stadiums, the tennis centre, MSAC (would need a renovation). Could build the Olympic village in Fishermen's Bend. Building new 80k stadiums is what makes the costs go out of whack, not building temporary seating at the local clay shooting range.

The MCG southern stand is due for redevelopment starting 2030, might be brought forward if needed for Soccer in 2032.

 

[moa999]

Believe only the Melbourne Rectangular Stadium will be used (along with Sydney's SFS) and smaller venues in Cairns, Townsville and Toowoomba.

GABBA is due for almost total redevelopment before the Games.
And new Live Arena (aquatic centre) and Indoor Sports (basketball)

2032 Summer Olympics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Carrots]

Rio is a perfect example of disused olympic facilities. Could someone explain the connection between Brazil and Golf?
Sochi is a ghost town
Sydney olympic park - enough said

Athens is perhaps an even better example of disused and very run down facilities.

Even Beijing, although that might be more to do with build quality.

 

[exceladdict]

Such a shame reading the OP from 2 years ago, to how different things are today. I missed out on experiencing the 2000 Olympics first hand, will definitely be heading up to Brisbane for 2032 for the canoe slalom.

The MCG southern stand is due for redevelopment starting 2030, might be brought forward if needed for Soccer in 2032.

I was lamenting over this the other day! I feel like Brisbane might be my new target as well (along with half the country).
Fortunately, I pulled the plug when I got a terrible ticket allocation, I feel for those who won't be getting a full refund on their tickets.

 

[Quickstatus]

What are the Olympic sports where the athlete does not have to break out in a sweat?

Equestrian Dressage
Pistol Shooting
Archery

?? any others?

I'm simply suggesting that golf doesn't belong at the Olympics, not just the Rio games.

Then there are those which should be in the Olympics.
Darts and Snooker should have been an Olympic sport. Especially Darts at the London Games. It would be the only Olympic sport where beer drinking is part of the sport.