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A few other reasons the Dems may lose votes.

 
Interesting that the various promoters of HCQ on AFF have gone silent.
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According to a protocol-based treatment algorithm, among hospitalized patients, use of hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with a significant reduction in-hospital mortality compared to not receiving hydroxychloroquine.
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I understand Trump is now praising a Doctor who believes alien DNA is used in medicine. :) :)


From the SBS report it seems even more bizarre than that. They said she was alleging alien DNA was being used to combat Americans believing in religion or some other obscure bulldust.
 
From the SBS report it seems even more bizarre than that. They said she was alleging alien DNA was being used to combat Americans believing in religion or some other obscure bulldust.
Oh yes that was another one - a vaccine is being developed to stop people becoming religious.

to be fair to Trump, he’s just sloppy and he doesn’t bother to check things out - just twitters or shares anything he feels meets his beliefs without knowing anything about the proponents.
 
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According to a protocol-based treatment algorithm, among hospitalized patients, use of hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with a significant reduction in-hospital mortality compared to not receiving hydroxychloroquine.
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Sorry, but that’s not true. HCQ has been shown by several peer reviewed studies to be completely inefficacious for CV19.
 
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Sorry, but that’s not true. HCQ has been shown by several peer reviewed studies to be completely inefficacious for CV19.

..and it would seem another area where the current POTUS differs from the advice provided by those paid to do it and just retweets "whatever". Not what I would consider "Presidential" behaviour deserving of re-election.

Quote from Fauci Tuesday 28Jul20

" I go along with the FDA. The overwhelming prevailing clinical trials that have looked at the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine have indicated that it is not effective in coronavirus disease,” Fauci said on Good Morning America Tuesday.
 
... " I go along with the FDA. The overwhelming prevailing clinical trials that have looked at the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine have indicated that it is not effective in coronavirus disease,” Fauci said on Good Morning America Tuesday.
More Fake News? 🤣
 
And the major articles on HCQ in the Lancet and NEJM that it was not effective were withdrawn as they were fraudulent.
As serfty has posted the latest peer reviewed study from the USA has found it was effective treatment.
 
And Biden might not get all of the Sanders supporters to vote for him.
Sour grapes, I think.
that's like slashing the seats at the drive-in when you don't like the movie.

I think the Sanders' supporters just have long memories of what happened to their candidate last time. It's not a Party Political system there.
 
And the major articles on HCQ in the Lancet and NEJM that it was not effective were withdrawn as they were fraudulent.
As serfty has posted the latest peer reviewed study from the USA has found it was effective treatment.
Is this a fraudulent one?


It’s hard to keep up with Hydroxychloroquine because so many different ones pop up.
 
... It’s hard to keep up with Hydroxychloroquine because so many different ones pop up.
The current POTUS has made some strong recommendations on this. Some have been provided to him by "good people", and FOX News. The remainder would be fake news. 🤭
 
A new trial but small number of patients and open label so you really can't take that as proof either drug didn't work.

But DC3 the 2 major articles that were against HCQ were proven to be fake news and withdrawn.
 
But DC3 the 2 major articles that were against HCQ were proven to be fake news and withdrawn.

AKA, peer reviewed, (bow down before peer reviewed work) and passed (bow three times), scientific rubbish. But like Bush's rubber turkey, the BS shall live forever on the internet.
 
AKA, peer reviewed, (bow down before peer reviewed work) and passed (bow three times), scientific rubbish. But like Bush's rubber turkey, the BS shall live forever on the internet.
What are you actually saying here? Beyond me. Just anti-science??
 
What are you actually saying here? Beyond me. Just anti-science??

Sorry, I've ranted on this before. Nothing to do with 'science'. 'Peer reviewed' is the new buzzword implying a work is truth and beyond challenge. That's carp. Anyone who works and has researched in science & related fields (like I have :) ) knows that the process of 'peer review' is riddled with dodgy practices, although, yes, most of the time it works OK. An editor can seal the fate of a paper by choosing the reviewers appropriately. Would they agree or disagree / sympathise or not with the thesis put forward? Simples!

The Hydroxychloroquine papers often quoted were peer reviewed, passed and printed in two prestigious journals. Now retracted and heavily criticised. The peer review process there was, as I said, rubbish.

As a science grad student, I went to my supervisor and discussed publishing my work in Journal X. My supervisor looked at me with contempt. "Don't you realise, that's edited by "Bloggs. It wouldn't get past first base". I went cold. It was Bloggs' work that my thesis principally took down. Rookie mistake. We published in a much more friendly journal where my supervisor knew the editor well.

When I was working as a geologist, a paper managed to get published in a major journal with me as a co-author, mis-using geochemical data I had generated. I knew the paper was being prepared by one of my colleagues in the USA, but the next thing I knew it was published! I contacted the editor, pointing out both the data mis-use and lack of co-author sign-off, and the reply was that the reviewers were satisfied, so that was that!

Now I'm back at Uni, in History, all I can say is things haven't changed much. I had a paper reviewed by two people who had absolutely no experience in the area the paper was on (I found out because they left their names in their Word documents :rolleyes: ). It passed, but I had to swallow some silly revisions.

That's a long way of saying 'don't accept anything just because its 'peer reviewed' ' - but I suspect you knew that already :) , but many don't.
 
A new trial but small number of patients and open label so you really can't take that as proof either drug didn't work.

But DC3 the 2 major articles that were against HCQ were proven to be fake news and withdrawn.
wasn't there supposed to be a trial in Australia with health workers? Did that ever happen?
 
wasn't there supposed to be a trial in Australia with health workers? Did that ever happen?
I think it is ongoing but the problem was not enough patients.Possibly they may in Victoria now.

The problem is there should be a proper randomised trial of HCQ.I doubt this will happen though several have started.

Problems.Once Trump mentioned it it became political meaning many just dropped it's use.
Second chloroquine and HCQ are off patent and manufacture is mainly in cheap factories in India and China.So there is no money in it for Big Pharma as no patents.But there could be big money in a vaccine or new drug.
 
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Thursday questioned whether the 2020 presidential election should potentially be postponed, claiming it could be ripe for fraud.

“With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history," Trump tweeted. "It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???”

While states have the authority to delay their primary elections, only Congress can change the date for the general election for president, because the Constitution gives Congress the authority to set the general election date.

Since 1845, Congress has required the appointment of presidential electors (now by election in every state) to take place on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November, which this year is November 3.

 
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