VA Results/Announcement today

[Deleted member 29185]

Even this week VA was pushing special fare flights to DPS, now the route is TT. Should we start the thread now? "I booked VA to DPS and got TT"

I assumed the flurry of sale seats to DPS was VA trying to fill seats as paxs delay travel to Bali due to possible ash cloud delays disrupting plans. If JQ has the better product, good. Let them win the race, but I'm guessing TT will try to be dirt cheap, which will give JQ some headaches I imagine. I can also see the JQ price match becoming a major player.....fly the 787 for the price of the 737!

I wonder how TT will divy up "extra leg room" seats. Presumably it will be a cash payment to secure. I'm also wondering if the small concession to Velocity from TT may be the start of a bit more cooperation between VFF and TT.

 

[pauly7]

VA giving up a few routes (and planes) to Tiger was always predictable I guess, I'm sure more are on the way.

I find it quite interesting though, the Tiger brand is absolute dirt™ in Australia with the safety issues/groundings still fresh and their ongoing rep as the most complained about airline. I therefore wonder how they are going to stack up against JQ, who although for us AFF's hardly smells like roses, a vast amount of Australians are happy to fly on the cheap.

I'm interested to see how a Tiger really stacks up against JQ on this route especially in a 737 v a Dreamliner

 

[smit0847]

VA giving up a few routes (and planes) to Tiger was always predictable I guess, I'm sure more are on the way.

I find it quite interesting though, the Tiger brand is absolute dirt in Australia with the safety issues/groundings still fresh and their ongoing rep as the most complained about airline. I therefore wonder how they are going to stack up against JQ, who although for us AFF's hardly smells like roses, a vast amount of Australians are happy to fly on the cheap.

I'm interested to see how a Tiger really stacks up against JQ on this route especially in a 737 v a Dreamliner

I assume they are replacing the 8 J seats with 12 Y seats with extra legroom. Im also guessing they wont touch the other seats to keep the transition costs as low as possible. This means rows 1 2 and 3 will be like row 3 on VA are right now (extra legroom).

So the seats will be the same as VA have now. Other than the livery and crew, the experience wont be much different.

 

[TheInsider]

Interesting to see on the tiger website when you book the flights to Denpasar, it's all operated by Virgin Australia international!
So I'm not too sure how they are saving money by doing this.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

Interesting to see on the tiger website when you book the flights to Denpasar, it's all operated by Virgin Australia international!
So I'm not too sure how they are saving money by doing this.

Maybe to "gift" the losses through to the "absolute dirt"** branded offshoot to artificially doctor VAs 2015-2016 profitability? That's purely a question posed to the masses and based on neither credible evidence nor knowledge.

**Description borrowed from pauly7

 

[pauly7]

Maybe to "gift" the losses through to the "absolute dirt"** branded offshoot

**Description borrowed from pauly7

I should have trademarked that

 

[samh004]

I find it interesting that the Tiger routes will simply be operated by VA International (will the fuselage be re-sprayed so as not to confuse?) as I always thought a major sticking point for QF on different aircraft types was that they didn't mix JQ/QF so they could pay the staff less at JQ?

I can definitely see more routes going the TT-way, similar to how JQ got so big, but strange time to be doing it as QF is taking back leisure routes from JQ.

I should have trademarked that

I find it quite interesting though, the Tiger brand is absolute dirt™ in Australia with the safety issues/groundings still fresh and their ongoing rep as the most complained about airline.

Fixed that for you.

 

[dk4]

I find it interesting that the Tiger routes will simply be operated by VA International...

In reality these handful of TT international services need to be operated by VA International (if VA isn't going to set up a whole new TT International holding company with its own AOC, which would likely defeat the cost reduction purposes if they did) - as I think that the ownership structure is such that; TT is now directly owned by the main VA corporate, which in turn is majority foreign owned. Majority foreign ownership means no international flying and I would be surprised if TT could even put their code on an international flight (even if it is operated by a different carrier). I think that VA International is their only business unit which is "majority Australian" owned "on paper", with an AOC to operate Australian Flagged international services.

I reckon that Qantas Group will be keeping a close eye on just how VA tee this up (within their gerrymandered corporate structure) and launch a challenge if VA doesn't cross all the t's and dot all the i perfectly before "Tigerair" starts international services!

 

[dk4]

Added to the above, the Indonesians may take issue as well: as I think that they grant rights based on "carrier name" - which is why Jetstar Asia had to operate as ValuAir for so long and Pacific Blue had to operate Indo services with "Airline of Virgin Blue" written on the side of its aircraft IIRC.

 

[samh004]

I reckon that Qantas Group will be keeping a close eye on just how VA tee this up (within their gerrymandered corporate structure) and launch a challenge if VA doesn't cross all the t's and dot all the i perfectly before "Tigerair" starts international services!

Hence the long lead-in times before they start operating?

 

[TheInsider]

It will be repainted into a Tiger aircraft, and has got a Tiger flight number. But still operated by Virgin crew. Just a very strange set up. No idea where they are getting the savings from?

 

[Boris spatsky]

It will be repainted into a Tiger aircraft, and has got a Tiger flight number. But still operated by Virgin crew. Just a very strange set up. No idea where they are getting the savings from?

Not having to cater the aircraft, no lounge, less cleaning, cheaper cabin crew. It all adds up i guess.

 

[bullerdude]

Not having to cater the aircraft, no lounge, less cleaning, cheaper cabin crew. It all adds up i guess.

This pretty much ^

It may be under the VA International IOC but there will be far fewer operational costs from operating the flights as Tiger.

They will also be able to use the Tiger LCC model of charging for every ancillary cost etc.

 

[samh004]

Not having to cater the aircraft, no lounge, less cleaning, cheaper cabin crew. It all adds up i guess.

So they'll use VA pilots but not VA cabin crew? Interesting mix.

Not sure less cleaning will be a good fit for the planes that are to be operated on this route, as anyone who had flown the JQ 787's or A330's would know, having seen the stains and extreme wear and tear. If it's still a VA asset, you'd want to keep it in good condition, not let it get trashed?

 

[yohy?!]

They expect to be operating at higher load factors year round in the smaller aircraft.

 

[Deleted member 29185]

They expect to be operating at higher load factors year round in the smaller aircraft.

Smaller aircraft? Which ones?

From where I sit, the load on just about all my flights recently has been packed. Friday CNS-BNE one spare seat that I could see. J completely full.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

The operated by VA is only a temporary measure.

 

[yohy?!]

Smaller aircraft? Which ones?

From where I sit, the load on just about all my flights recently has been packed. Friday CNS-BNE one spare seat that I could see. J completely full.

compared to JQ

 

[Deleted member 29185]

compared to JQ

Wouldn't that be the same though between VA and JQ and between TT and JQ? I wouldn't have thought that was any motivation for them at least. They already have that edge.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Smaller aircraft? Which ones?

From where I sit, the load on just about all my flights recently has been packed. Friday CNS-BNE one spare seat that I could see. J completely full.

all airlines are full to cns at this time of year