Velocity/Virgin - further enhancements to seat selection!

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Thanks for the clarification. I guess my comment was exactly that, but moreso highlighting that there are other options for non-WP flyers to have the same benefit (or more) as row 3. It comes down to a question of the value of status. As a silver, you don't automatically gain access to the other status benefits that VA offer SG and WP and SG members don't automatically gain access to the few status benefits that VA offer exclusively to WPs. I don't think anyone denies row 3 is the best seating (apart from J) in a 737-800 but not everyone on the plane can have it and VA have supposedly made this a benefit for WP flyers. I did admit however, that I certainly realise VA have never officially made shadows a WP perk, but the ability of non WP members to be able to select row 3 middle at T-48, coupled with the willingness of many to grab a middle row 3 seat, often means the WPs in row 3 lose the spare seat beside them even when there are heaps of spare seats further back (sometimes not that much further back and I recall Medhead saying he's even relocated himself to have a spare middle). It just doesn't make sense to me. The PITA SG I referred to earlier (on my last flight, which was 3+ hours) did not have a laptop, was not overly tall and there were spare isle and window seats further back........in short, no real reson for him to squash into a middle seat which affects the two other WPs either side of him.

In any case, with the changes to the forward exit row, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if row 3 suffered the same fate in the future.

Couldn't VA just fix this by putting in a proper shadow system that worked a la QF?

Then on a flight lightly loaded as you indicate would block the middle seat for a plat in the aisle/window anyway in most cases?
 
Couldn't VA just fix this by putting in a proper shadow system that worked a la QF?

Probably, but the shadows they currently give can and regularly do disappear, even on flights far from full! My experience is they use to work reasonably well but were too easily negated or staff with access were not properly trained on their value/effectiveness.
 
To me row 3 is great, but I'd be happy to sit in row 4 or 5 if it meant having a shadow as I value that a lot more than the extra legroom of row 3.

This is frustrating to see, maybe I should take my chances and move down the back:

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Thanks for the clarification. I guess my comment was exactly that, but moreso highlighting that there are other options for non-WP flyers to have the same benefit (or more) as row 3. It comes down to a question of the value of status. As a silver, you don't automatically gain access to the other status benefits that VA offer SG and WP and SG members don't automatically gain access to the few status benefits that VA offer exclusively to WPs. I don't think anyone denies row 3 is the best seating (apart from J) in a 737-800 but not everyone on the plane can have it and VA have supposedly made this a benefit for WP flyers. I did admit however, that I certainly realise VA have never officially made shadows a WP perk, but the ability of non WP members to be able to select row 3 middle at T-48, coupled with the willingness of many to grab a middle row 3 seat, often means the WPs in row 3 lose the spare seat beside them even when there are heaps of spare seats further back (sometimes not that much further back and I recall Medhead saying he's even relocated himself to have a spare middle). It just doesn't make sense to me. The PITA SG I referred to earlier (on my last flight, which was 3+ hours) did not have a laptop, was not overly tall and there were spare isle and window seats further back........in short, no real reson for him to squash into a middle seat which affects the two other WPs either side of him.

In any case, with the changes to the forward exit row, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if row 3 suffered the same fate in the future.

Whilst there are other options (as you point out), the majority of those other options come at an additional cost. And everyone here wants to minimise their cost!

I guess there are two key points here:

The first being that VA keep taking away benefits and don't have the systems/procedures in places to maintain the status perks (row 3 for Platinum), and the second being that if VA choose to operate that way (allowing everyone access to row at T-48), then I can see why some non status pax would take that option up, even a middle seat. Whilst I have an obvious reason for why I would take it up, who are we to say that someone else who takes it up doesn't have their own reason for taking it up? And whether we consider their reason logical or reasonable is irrelevant - they do. It all comes down to what people consider a priority - my priority is leg room and your priority (and most Platinums) is a front row, with a seat free between/next to you (It seems that for many, the free seat is more important than the front row). In the case of VA, it just so happens that because of the configuration on their refurbished 737-800 planes, these two priorities overlap/collide.

The solution to this of course is that VA does not make row 3 available at T-48 to non status pax. Out of interest, do QF operate the same way?
 
Something else that I just thought of ....

Many (most?) people, whether they have no status, low status (e.g. silver), or high status (e.g. platinum), want to minimise their cost and maximise their value/perks/benefits (hence the reason this forum exists). Given this, sometimes there are going to be competing interests/overlaps/collisions, such as the situation of row 3 on VA, where a no/low status pax may (mostly inadvertently) diminish the perk of a high status passenger, due to the way the system operates.
 
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who are we to say that someone else who takes it up doesn't have their own reason for taking it up?

I don't for one minute blame people for "taking it up". I don't understand the majority of people who jump in 3middle just to be in row 3, but I freely admit if they're permitted (perhaps even encouraged) then good for them. I have often said that I'd jump at perks that suit me (even those possibly unfair on others, like the IHG Big Win promo) but I also think many are more concerned about being in row 3 at any cost then how comfortable it is for them and others. Like DGW, I value a shadow far more than the extra legroom. I also have options to ensure that (a comfort seat), but it is at an extra cost which to date, I have not agreed to pay, but that's my choice. I can buy comfort as can you but the row 3 shadow is very skewed unless protected. Let's face it, if we look at the seat map DGW posted above, when 8A&F are taken, those left who must sit in the middle (assuming further back is the same) will most likely start filling up from the front (quicker off the plane) and if you can grab 3 middle, good...better than 8 middle. If I were DGW, I'd most likely stay in 3C but I'd be putting serious though into 8F as there is a reasonable chance of a shadow.

The other thing I might mention is that status perks are not just for egos. Typically, WPs are doing a lot of time in the air and anything that helps to make that a little easier is welcomed. A bit like in a bus. The drivers seat is far comfier than the pax, simply because he spends a lot of time in that seat whereas the pax don't. Airlines have long recognised that with status benefits which are tiered for that very reason.
 
Probably, but the shadows they currently give can and regularly do disappear, even on flights far from full! My experience is they use to work reasonably well but were too easily negated or staff with access were not properly trained on their value/effectiveness.

+1 for me. I place high value on having a shadow in row 3 and get a little annoyed when a non status passenger gets B or E in row 3 when empty seats are available further back. I would hope it is in the training of all check in staff as to the value of this benefit.
 
@VFF - If you are reading this, are you able to provide an official comment about how seats are reserved for status pax, including are those seats opened up at online checkin?
 
I had a little play with the booking engine and compared seats available when being a regular flyer and when logged in as a plat and found the following:

Melbourne to Darwin

For a flight within the next 24 hours
* Red: Row 5 onwards
* Plat: Row 3 onwards

For a flight within the next 48 hours
* Red: Row 7 onwards and one seat on Row 4
* Plat: Row 3 onwards

Hobart to Melbourne

For a flight within the next 24 hours
* Red: Row 7 onwards
* Plat: Row 3 onwards

For a flight within the next 48 hours
* Red: Row 7 onwards (although not all Row 7 seats could be selected despite being free)
* Plat: Row 3 onwards

Notes

*There were seats in Rows 3,4,5 etc available on each flight I searched
*For a flight 3 days out (i.e. 72 hours) - Red flyers can select Row 7 onwards
*For a flight 4 days out (i.e. 96 hours) - Red flyers can select Row 14 onwards


My Observations

*Plat flyers get Row 3 seats whenever available
*Red flyers can likely get better seats at T-72
*Red flyers may get getter seats at T-24
*The seats available to Red flyers can be a bit random

My Thoughts

Initial observations seem to indicate the system has been changed such that the front rows are now less reserved when compared to earlier this year - which is not good for Golds/Plats.
 
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Initial observations seem to indicate the system has been changed such that the front rows are now less reserved when compared to earlier this year - which is not good for Golds/Plats.

Which if true, seems to add to the criticism VA have been attacting, ie - give a benefit then shortly after remove it. It would also seem to indicate that PS holds no additional seat select benefit over reds....which is basically what the OP was initially lamenting.

I must say though, when VA first introduced the row 3 blocking, red or no status flyers gaining the spare middle seats seemed far more prevelant and IIRC, VFF even made a post at some point saying that was going to end.
 
Just as a quick follow up, I was indeed able to get better Online Seat Selection before checkin with my WLG-BNE flight last week; T48 & all seats Row 4 & back were open, T24 and Half of Row 3 was open, so I snapped up 3F! Guess no one really hawked over the seats like I did

Fairly full flight yet both Rows 3 & 4 had shadows in the middle on both sides; Greatest thing was when I walked into the 738 and saw the J config; Which meant of course the extra leg space rather than just another seat in Y+

Made the overnight delay abit easier to bear....
 
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Greatest thing was when I walked into the 738 and saw the J config; Which meant of course the extra leg space rather than just another seat in Y+

Imagine the delight for those who had the PE seats and ended up with J config! I'm assuming this was just a sub, and VA aren't starting J into NZ?

Congrats on the row 3 pick-up and shadow!
 
Imagine the delight for those who had the PE seats and ended up with J config! I'm assuming this was just a sub, and VA aren't starting J into NZ?

Congrats on the row 3 pick-up and shadow!

Funny you mention that: None in PE/J cabin! :? I even asked for Row 2 tounge-in-check at check-in after our overnight delay (Hence I assume the different aircraft) thinking it would be nice to have slightly more leg room...

The pillows were there as if someone was going to sit in the seats.... Must of been for the next flight?
 
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