Warning to MEL residents and visitors Metcard ends 28/12/12

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In SEQ - But it works both ways. If I want to get public transport to work, I have to walk 400m, get one bus, change to another bus, then walk another 200m, taking 52mins (if they run on time). Cost is $3.58 for a go card, or $5.20 for a paper ticket.

If I drive, it's 7.8km and takes about 12mins. My car uses 7L/100km, so that's 55c in fuel.

I'm a tree hugging greenie, but I can't justify the time or expense getting public transport to work. I used to ride (about 35mins, and free) but since the tunnel went in all the good bike paths have been trashed and there's no way I'd survive on the roads seeing how people drive them daily.
 
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Having said all I've never had a problem with my MyKi, it's worked well and has been better since the put new barriers at Flinders St. ...
One starts to get complacent and accept the 1½ second average response time - then you go interstate/overseas and get 'shocked' by how quickly those systems respond.
 
One starts to get complacent and accept the 1½ second average response time - then you go interstate/overseas and get 'shocked' by how quickly those systems respond.

I actually found London's could be slower than MyKi, It also didn't work in my wallet either, however here it does work in my wallet. But i do agree its slower than it needs to be.
 
I actually found London's could be slower than MyKi, It also didn't work in my wallet either, however here it does work in my wallet. But i do agree its slower than it needs to be.
My most recent OMG! experiences were in in Tokyo and Brisbane ...
 
Its defenders say the new system works for most passengers, most of the time. But so did the old system. If myki works just about as well as Metcard did across the whole network, then at best we've just replaced one functional system with another. ''If it ain't broke, don't fix it'', goes the old adage. Or at least, don't fix it for one-and-a-half billion dollars.

It is unknown just how many people have been fined after boarding a tram holding a $10 note, only to discover that a $10 note - legal tender everywhere else in Australia - didn't buy a tram ticket. That outrageous situation existed because of a flaw in the privatisation contract signed by the Kennett government in 1994, which replaced tram conductors with automatic ticket machines.

Good article summarising most of Myki's woes.

Myki: disaster from touch on to touch off
 
4. Not much info in the trams. I picked up the pamphlets which said nothing in depth about how to use them. On the tram, apparantly you only swipe on unless you are transiting zones when you then need to swipe on and off. Apparantly most trams are zone 1 but no matter how hard I tried to follow the route map on board, I couldn't see where the zone 2 ones were. There was no mention of multiple trips. Once again, apparantly, once you swipe on, you're only billed for one trip per 2 hours but there was nothing in the brochures about this......or how to achieve it. I asked two policeman who were on the tram (much to my wifes horror) but they had no idea and it was the consierge who told us you have to swipe on, on each tram (but not off) and you get charged once every two hours. I still have no idea if this is true or not.

To explain, the fare structure for trams was simplified a few years ago. Whilst the vast majority of the tram network is Zone 1, there are some short sections of Routes 75, 86 and 109 which (physically) fall in Zone 2, which has a cheaper fare than Zone 1. The main changes were that the entire tram network fare zone was set to Zone 1 by default, sections in Zone 2 were reassigned as being in the Zone 1/Zone 2 overlap and therefore the need to buy a (fairly pricey) Zone 1+2 ticket when crossing zones on trams was abolished. However, for passengers whose entire journey is within the overlap, they can still get the cheaper Zone 2 fare by tapping on and off to confirm that their trip was in Zone 2 only. Failure to tap off will result in paying a Zone 1 fare.

Since these overlap areas are a fair way from the CBD (consult this map showing the Zone1/Zone 2 overlap in the diagonal stripes), for the vast majority of tourists (and tram users in general), you only need to tap on. Walking straight off without tapping off will still result in paying the correct Zone 1 fare unless you fall under the previously explained exception.

The map shows that the tram zone changes created some anomalies. The obvious one is at the eastern end of Route 109, where the Box Hill tram stop is in the overlap, but the very nearby Box Hill train station isn't. Therefore, a tram passenger from the Spencer Street station to Box Hill station tram stops (or vice versa) only needs to pay a Zone 1 fare (2 hour full fare: $3.50), while a train passenger needs to pay a Zone 1+2 fare ($5.92).

As far as leniency goes, one inspector had my teenage niece in tears because she had bought a ticket but didn't know to validate it. She's from Adelaide and is the kind of girl who would never think of skipping a fare. She's ridiculously honest. I can't see any joy there.

The nickname might be a bit distasteful, but Melbourne ticket inspectors aren't called Gestapo for nothing. There have been several incidents of assault by ticket inspectors, for example. Their general attitude seems to be to intimidate and humiliate anyone who hasn't managed to follow the woeful system for whatever reason.

Lots of Myki people out in force on Friday and Saturday explaining the system to those who had held out...
With the discounts versus Metcard thast had been offered I was surprised that this was needed.

Myki has been a farce for years. People, such as myself, held onto Metcard until they were pushed. The discounts weren't nearly as spectacular as the problems with Myki itself.
 
I now tap on and off when on trams.

As an infrequent user, I found myself being overcharged a couple of times. The reason given (in my own words) was the system did not know what to charge me so it charged me for a full day. This normally happens when I have months between my tap ons. The person I spoke with on the phone suggested I tap off so the system knew that was the end of the journey even though I was still in Zone 1. Have you every tried getting a refund? It's no fun and this is an easy way to make sure the correct amount is deducted.
 
I just heard my parents and their friends (all pensioners) complaining about the complex nature of Mkyi. One complaint was, why should they go post office, 7/11, newsagent that is out of the way to recharge a card when the old way was much simpler...

I suspect if the Labour party (or libs) promise to bring back paper tickets it would be a winner.
 
At Myki Recharge machines do they accept 5c coins or is 10c the lowest denomination they accept?
 
I just heard my parents and their friends (all pensioners) complaining about the complex nature of Mkyi. One complaint was, why should they go post office, 7/11, newsagent that is out of the way to recharge a card when the old way was much simpler...

I suspect if the Labour party (or libs) promise to bring back paper tickets it would be a winner.

Never happen, the amount of behind the scenes work in paper tickets is amazing. There are also greater fraud and security risks for very little gain.

Any changes are going to get these complaints and whilst many are valid the change has been made so suck it and live with it. Sadly we are quite poor (as a nation) in learning from previous mistakes so when this system needs replacing all of the current mistakes will probably be made again.

In fact the next system will be even worse because of the amount of IT stuff ups that will occur.
 
The whole 2hr validity scheme should have gone when the Myki changeover happened. This confuses most people as 99% of the world is pay-per-trip. Make the fare $1-$2 instead of the massive $3.50 for 2hrs which most people won't get to use a second time. Also, if you use transport after 6pm and tap on with your Myki, it's valid all night until 4am (just like MetCard was) yet this is mentioned no where!

My first trip to Singapore I was amazed how fast the cards scan at the MRT gates...people literally run through the gates while waving the card over the sensor for what must be less than a few milliseconds! The issue of getting a refund on the Myki card is another biggie. Singapore is great as you just keep getting new cards each time you buy a ticket then simply return a bunch and get SG$1 refund per card. I've got a useless $6 Myki card sitting in my bag which I 'may' use again sometime in the future however I must remember to take it with me (live in SYD), then remember to keep it on my person once in Melbourne, top it up before first use, etc.

Yuck.

The irony that Australian company ERG (who developed both the Octopus HK and Ez-Link Singapore) systems yet lost the Melbourne bid is beyond belief.
 
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OT, but I found the river ferry almost convenient for accessing the city from Hilton South Wharf. $10/day for unlimited commutes. The only downside was the operating times. Midday to 6pm so no good for an early start or for what we really wanted to do...... dinner in Melbourne and a nice cruise down the Yarra home again to HSW. The big upside was you could board right outside the Hilton on the pontoon and jump off at Federation Square......no trekking miles to the tram stop (OK I exaggerate there a bit ;)), which when raining would be a BIG difference!
 
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The irony that Australian company ERG (who developed both the Octopus HK and Ez-Link Singapore) systems yet lost the Melbourne bid is beyond belief.
There's a real "Smell" around the government tender for the scheme, a formal enquiry (empaneled by the same government) found nothing untoward.:rolleyes:
 
Im going to miss the metcard, never bought a myki but then again I haven't been to Melbourne CBD for awhile..If only they changed the color scheme, like oyster card but this will take another 20 years..
 
Now that Myki has been operating as Melbourne's only public transport fare system for nearly three months, I wonder how visitors are finding it?

What about use of bus route 901 to and from Tullamarine? It continues to be Melbourne's best kept public transport secret? Sure Skybus is quicker but is much more expensive. It would seem a few savvy travellers have discovered it's quite feasible to take the 901 bus to/from Broadmeadows and connect with the train. Broadmeadows is also a connection with V/Line and Countrylink trains. The 901 bus operates a convenient service from early morning until late at night Mondays to Saturdays with only slightly reduced hours on Sundays.

I've used it to/from my bus stop (at the end of my street!) at Ringwood. It's a two and a half hour trip but you can put your bags in the rack and settle back for a leisurely and affordable trip. Route 901 operates entirely in Zone 2.
 
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I've used it to/from my bus stop (at the end of my street!) at Ringwood. It's a two and a half hour trip but you can put your bags in the rack and settle back for a leisurely and affordable trip. Route 901 operates entirely in Zone 2.
Now there's a thing ... 2½ hours ... goodness ... I looked at timetables and espeyed 3¾ hours to Frankston ... nup!!

My use of either 901/478/479 + two trains keep it down to 2 hours and 0 additional cost due to my yearly zone 1&2 myki - but I live in Carrum, not Ringwood.

However, the $13 fare for Skybus I do pay 10+ times a year - simply due to time constraints - it saves 30 minutes and sometime, PT jsut can't get me there for that 8am flight ...
 
My boss said what is the point of rail connection to the airport! :shock:

Obviously frequent and infrequent travellers want a choice!

Tried to explain to him that the roads around MEL are already chockers and the need for a reliable rail connection to MEL from the CBD for such a large city. Also the Skybus is hitting peak hour traffic (And running late), something a train would be impervious to.
 
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