"... we'll shortly announce a major investment to improve our Frequent Flyer program"

[I love to travel]

So today is the last business day in March. No ASX announcement. Groan...

 

[levelnine]

Another article in the AFR about the upcoming changes. No new info, but some anecdotes that show you there are people who use P+P and thus will warmly welcome Classic+:

“I got fed up trying to find seats on Qantas and have just swapped to Singapore Airlines’ KrisFlyer program,” says Long, who is in Bali.

“I’ve still got Qantas but last time I booked business class to London I paid nearly 2 million points, which is ridiculous.”

Qantas’ Frequent Flyer program is getting a run for its money

The airline is on the verge of unveiling the biggest change to the popular loyalty scheme in years, but savvy customers are increasingly shopping around.

www.afr.com

 

[I love to travel]

Another article in the AFR about the upcoming changes. No new info, but some anecdotes that show you there are people who use P+P and thus will warmly welcome Classic+:

Qantas’ Frequent Flyer program is getting a run for its money

The airline is on the verge of unveiling the biggest change to the popular loyalty scheme in years, but savvy customers are increasingly shopping around.

www.afr.com

Any hints in the article about real timing of the changes?

 

[levelnine]

Any hints in the article about real timing of the changes?

No. Focus is people moving to other programs.

 

[CaptJCool]

Focus on the millions of points earner cause he’s running a business (earning on other people’s money)
Most employed people do not have that $$ to splash nor points 2,000,000 to splash on J to London

The “return on investment (of other people’s money) Earn rate is around 2% of spend

Secondly
Apparently they trialled Classic+
Sounds like the 50% of Points Plus Pay campaign they had
From their public 2024 half yearly report they touted something like 15,000 sales

So I’m not holding my breath

 

[muppet]

Focus on the millions of points earner cause he’s running a business (earning on other people’s money)
Most employed people do not have that $$ to splash nor points 2,000,000 to splash on J to London

The “return on investment (of other people’s money) Earn rate is around 2% of spend

Secondly
Apparently they trialled Classic+
Sounds like the 50% of Points Plus Pay campaign they had
From their public report they touted something like 15,000 sales
So I’m not holding my breath

Qantas must love that guy in the article. At points plus pay rates, unless his suppliers don’t surcharge credit cards or discount cash/bank transfer unlike most businesses - the guy in the article would be better off buying cash J fares to London.

He is essentially surcharging himself to higher fares.

 

[RichardMEL]

Well seems so much for "by April" (which to me means "before April begins") - they never said "by the end of April"

Another QF delay. Since we have no EU261 type rule, no compo for us!

But seriously, does this continued delay in announcing the changes imply potential modifications after the lukewarm at best reaction to "leaked" changes? I mean they're now three months post when this was initially supposed to be announced iirc...

 

[I love to travel]

Well seems so much for "by April" (which to me means "before April begins") - they never said "by the end of April"

Another QF delay. Since we have no EU261 type rule, no compo for us!

But seriously, does this continued delay in announcing the changes imply potential modifications after the lukewarm at best reaction to "leaked" changes? I mean they're now three months post when this was initially supposed to be announced iirc...

Yes I have wondered that too but maybe IT issues as well. But big call not to deliver as someone in the media may point out didn't happen before April. Interesting strategy.

 

[CaptJCool]

He is essentially surcharging himself to higher fares.

Now where’s my QR ?

Code
Joke
I heard Turkey was sub$6,000 this year
Thanksgiving

 

[exceladdict]

Delay is interesting. I can think of two reasons for pre announcing: the need to warn investors of a known upcoming impact to the bottom line, and, to try to generate positive PR.

Qantas have been known to pre-announce things with shifting timelines (eg. Sunrise) which makes me less inclined to think they would stall the headline based on IT issues (they could promote it with future release dates).

So I think it's strategic timing. Perhaps they want to get through Easter unscathed first (saw an article today about various backup things they have in place) and then perhaps go big in a quieter media period in early April.

Could even be an April 1 announcement...

 

[RichardMEL]

So I think it's strategic timing. Perhaps they want to get through Easter unscathed first (saw an article today about various backup things they have in place) and then perhaps go big in a quieter media period in early April.

I imagine AN had the same feelings in 2001...
That went well.

Could even be an April 1 announcement...

I pity the fool....

 

[CaptJCool]

I pity the fool....

 

[chrispy3276]

I'm not sure there's a 'delay' - I interpret 'by April' as April 30, and it seems a lot of the media outlets reporting on it think the same (i.e. the changes will be announced in April).

 

[CaptJCool]

I'm not sure there's a 'delay' - I interpret 'by April' as April 30, and it seems a lot of the media outlets reporting on it think the same (i.e. the changes will be announced in April).

If I said I’d get it done “by April”
It’s a forecast - a floating flotsam deadline

Hopeful of

On or before but the inference would be you wouldn’t be leaving it until midnight on 30th April as that’s almost May and you’d be running late

A most unreasonable person would argue that still meets “done by (end of) April
A more reasoned logic would be done earlier than later in April
by sometime during April or before April was out

By April is away of saying before May but each tells us something about the goal and the company who proposes to use “by April” instead of “before May”
They want to appear to be quicker not slower

April being ahead of May

May I say that ?

 

[I love to travel]

If QF are reading this and they have a firm release date in mind they must be laughing their heads off at our speculation.

 

[CaptJCool]

If QF are reading this and they have a firm release date in mind they must be laughing their heads off at our speculation.

What better time for business resurrection than Easter

 

[RichardMEL]

I'm not sure there's a 'delay' - I interpret 'by April' as April 30, and it seems a lot of the media outlets reporting on it think the same (i.e. the changes will be announced in April).

Classic case of semantics and "by" seems to have a split camp as to interpretation.

Eg does "by" nean before the date, or inclusive of the date?

I did a bit of googling on this (not being an English professor) and it seems split. Context is everything.

If I say "I expect to be paid by Friday" is it before Friday, or before the end of Friday? I know if *I* said that to someone, my expectation is before the start of Friday. Clearly others take the inclusive definition.

It's all moot really given QF will announce when they choose but is one of those interesting quirks of interpreting English - or rather how it can be ambiguous. If QF said we'd announce "by the end of April" then that is clear.

And we know wording is often not a strong suit for QF

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What better time for business resurrection than Easter

That makes us the Easter Bunnies...

Yup, it fits.

 

[TheInsider]

Probably an announcement after the Easter holidays, after everyone has travelled and then now thinking about booking their next holidays.
They will announce, then release classic awards along with the new amounts, resulting in the mixed class (or priced) bookings.

I can't see the point of announcing before the holidays start when most have already booked travel. After travel would be the target market.

 

[I love to travel]

Probably an announcement after the Easter holidays, after everyone has travelled and then now thinking about booking their next holidays.
They will announce, then release classic awards along with the new amounts, resulting in the mixed class (or priced) bookings.

I can't see the point of announcing before the holidays start when most have already booked travel. After travel would be the target market.

But any normal CR seats released or only everything at the new tier. I agree with your sentiment re new travel though. As I said above interesting strategy.

 

[TheInsider]

But any normal CR seats released or only everything at the new tier. I agree with your sentiment re new travel though. As I said above interesting strategy.

Normal CR isn't going, but by saying that, I could see them releasing CR seats, as they did a few months back, as some kind of 'promo' thing. Who knows...