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[straitman]

No, just proof that Deben is a hypocrite.

.... and Al Gore AND many others :!:

 

[cambriamarsh]

Moody,

Are you saying that anyone who has an opinion different to yours is ludicrous :?:

There is a huge proportion of the scientific community that do not agree with the doom and gloom prognosis attributed to climate change.

I don't think it's a huge proportion that deny the probability of man-made climate change, ie much greater than 50%. It might be a big number maybe but it's a small proportion.

Cheers

 

[straitman]

I don't think it's a huge proportion that deny the probability of man-made climate change, ie much greater than 50%. It might be a big number maybe but it's a small proportion.

Cheers

Many to most people accept man made climate change but many of those do not agree with the 'popular belief' outcomes.

Believe it or not there is are many scientists who dispute the 'popular beliefs' but don't have the funding and hence the publicity.

 

[cambriamarsh]

Many to most people accept man made climate change but many of those do not agree with the 'popular belief' outcomes.

Believe it or not there is are many scientists who dispute the 'popular beliefs' but don't have the funding and hence the publicity.

FAir comment, but the "insurance" analogy is still relevant.

cheers

 

[straitman]

FAir comment, but the "insurance" analogy is still relevant.

cheers

Agreed.

Buying the correct insurance is very important.

 

[cambriamarsh]

Agreed.

Buying the correct insurance is very important.

Well put. Pity there's not room for more options, rather the one size for all the planet allows.

 

[drron]

This is a send-up, isn't it? I mean of all the most ludicrous denialist statements, this one is pure gold!

If it's wrong prove it.
If you cant you have failed third class.
In this thread I have posted plenty of links to articles that suggest the doom and gloom is not a proven science.
Yet all I get from you are snide comments.
And just for you here is the link-
3302.0 - Deaths, Australia, 2012

From there you can download the statistics.however I can tell you that for QLD from 2002-2012 the months with the highest death rates every year are July,August.The next 2 highest death rate months are June,September.

So I consider your reply to me pure rubbish.

 

[whughes3]

Moody,

Are you saying that anyone who has an opinion different to yours is ludicrous :?:

There is a huge proportion of the scientific community that do not agree with the doom and gloom prognosis attributed to climate change.

No, he is saying that that anyone who denies a mountain of established scientific evidence is ludicrous.

And the proportion of the scientific community who dispute the evidence of man-made climate change is close to zero; and even they are discredited crackpots.

 

[straitman]

And the proportion of the scientific community who dispute the evidence of man-made climate change is close to zero; and even they are discredited crackpots.

I think you need to talk to a few scientists then. There are many respected scientists who don't agree with the 'popular idealism' but just don't get the funding or publicity.

 

[whughes3]

Really??? Who exactly are these "many respected scientists" and by whom are they "respected"?

 

[cambriamarsh]

Really??? Who exactly are these "many respected scientists" and by whom are they "respected"?

This is not black letter hard science so there is substantial debate about the cause, effect and quantum of any changes. I think there are many, ie a large number, but a small proportion.

 

[Moody]

Moody,

Are you saying that anyone who has an opinion different to yours is ludicrous :?:

There is a huge proportion of the scientific community that do not agree with the doom and gloom prognosis attributed to climate change.

I

[Sigh]. No - that's not what I said. Why are you even suggesting that? {Rhetorical question alert}

What is patently ludicrous is to claim global warming is good because fewer homeless poeple will then freeze to death in winter. How much warmer would it have to be to achieve significant impact to these stats? 5 degrees?? 10???

Do you have any idea of the catastrophic impact that 10 degrees of warming would produce? Sorry - you really will have to take your fingers out of your ears if we are going to have an adult conversation. (That's "adult" used in the traditional sense, and not the modern usage to describe the most pathetically inept government in Australian history)

 

[drron]

Really??? Who exactly are these "many respected scientists" and by whom are they "respected"?

Just read the links I have given here-2 are from lead authors of chapters of the IPCC reports.Richard Tol has been working with the IPCC since 1994.
Here is another link to show what happens when someone doesn't toe the line linking extreme weather events with man-made climate change-
Does Climate Change Cause Extreme Weather? I Said No, and Was Attacked | New Republic

Note this is a scientist that agrees with president Obama's policies but believes there is little scientific evidence linking extreme weather events with climate change.

Again we have heard how the polar bears are disappearing except that Canada's most southerly population of polar bears hence most exposed to loss of sea ice are increasing in numbers-
Signs that Davis Strait polar bears are at carrying capacity | polarbearscience

Then there are the problems when politicians take the advice of the extremists.For example in Australia we have 5 desalination plants only 1 is operating.Tim Flannery and the climate Authority said we would have more droughts so governments acted.Yet the IPCC says for Northwestern Australia they are less severe-noted in the first link in this post.
Here is a story on the cost of Germany's renewable energy-
Germany's Energy Poverty: Incentives for Pollution - SPIEGEL ONLINE

The funniest thing that people with your attitude say is the Climate change sceptics are the Flat earth society.However it was the consensus of the scientists of the time that the earth was flat.Only the sceptics thought it was round.

 

[drron]

I

[Sigh]. No - that's not what I said. Why are you even suggesting that? {Rhetorical question alert}

What is patently ludicrous is to claim global warming is good because fewer homeless poeple will then freeze to death in winter. How much warmer would it have to be to achieve significant impact to these stats? 5 degrees?? 10???

Do you have any idea of the catastrophic impact that 10 degrees of warming would produce? Sorry - you really will have to take your fingers out of your ears if we are going to have an adult conversation. (That's "adult" used in the traditional sense, and not the modern usage to describe the most pathetically inept government in Australian history)

Some evidence please.
The earth 11700 years ago warmed 4C in 10 years.In this last century it has warmed 0.85C.
The Woolly Mammoths didn't survive but man,polar bears and penguins did.

 

[jamesD]

The funniest thing that people with your attitude say is the Climate change sceptics are the Flat earth society.However it was the consensus of the scientists of the time that the earth was flat.Only the sceptics thought it was round.

Very valid point.

 

[Moody]

Some evidence please.
The earth 11700 years ago warmed 4C in 10 years.In this last century it has warmed 0.85C.
The Woolly Mammoths didn't survive but man,polar bears and penguins did.

Yep - the end of the last ice age was fairly abrupt and detrimental to some species. One of the impacts was that sea levels rose by 35 metres. Would you like to speculate what the impact of that would be in modern times? Don't worry - there's not enough ice now to cause anything close to that change .... but we also now have 7 billion people who a good proportion of which live on coastal areas. Best stick your head back in the sand - just watch out for the next high tide!

 

[drron]

Ok Moody if you are so sure you are right how about some facts instead of just regurgitating alarmist propaganda.
And sorry about your sea rise.Scientists suggest it will take 100000 years for all the Antarctic ice sheet to melt.Except that the next Glacial period is reckoned to happen somewhere between 25000-50000 years from now.
And tell me how many South pacific islands are getting smaller due to the rise in sea levels?

 

[whatmeworry]

Moody,

Are you saying that anyone who has an opinion different to yours is ludicrous :?:

There is a huge proportion of the scientific community that do not agree with the doom and gloom prognosis attributed to climate change.

Sorry but as a person with a couple of scientific degrees who was skeptical of climate change, my opinion of climate change has changed.
So sorry if I disagree with a pilot with no scientific training.
I continually ask people older then me about weather patterns and they constantly tell me weather patterns have changed.

 

[Moody]

Ok Moody if you are so sure you are right how about some facts instead of just regurgitating alarmist propaganda.
And sorry about your sea rise.Scientists suggest it will take 100000 years for all the Antarctic ice sheet to melt.Except that the next Glacial period is reckoned to happen somewhere between 25000-50000 years from now.
And tell me how many South pacific islands are getting smaller due to the rise in sea levels?

Ummm.... is this a trick question, because the obvious answer is "all of them". How could there be any other answer when global sea levels are rising? That is NOT a rhetorical question by the way - I would really like you to answer that, dron.

Go on .....

 

[drron]

Sorry but as a person with a couple of scientific degrees who was skeptical of climate change, my opinion of climate change has changed.
So sorry if I disagree with a pilot with no scientific training.
I continually ask people older then me about weather patterns and they constantly tell me weather patterns have changed.

Wow what proof.older people tell you the climate has changed!
Now how about some scientific references that prove that the effects that Al Gore,Christine Milne etc are correct.