When will SYD - DFW be canned (if ever?)

[Must...Fly!]

It's unlikely to become an F route - remember, the remaining ordered 388's for QF are to be configured with a three class layout.

That was announced before they delayed delivery though wasn't it? Could change back again.

I can't.

The 380 is not very economic on very long legs. You get to the point of carrying fuel so you can burn fuel :!:

That is another problem.

 

[Berlin]

I prefer going through LA solely for flying the A380 with the added benefit of scoring an F upgrade every once in a while. Besides these obvious benefits of going through LA, the Dallas route is much more convenient and the airport just ten times nicer than LAX. However, with the changes currently going on in Tom Bradley and -potentially- the DFW route being switched to the big bird once they delayed aircraft finally arrive, this might change all that- who knows!?!

 

[straitman]

I prefer going through LA solely for flying the A380 with the added benefit of scoring an F upgrade every once in a while.

If they ordered some 747-800s they would be every bit as good and quiet at the A380.

 

[ozmille]

SYD DFW is definitely on the list of to do flights, just finding the time to actually do it is proving hard

 

[lovestotravel]

It's unlikely to become an F route - remember, the remaining ordered 388's for QF are to be configured with a three class layout.

They are actually coming in QF colours ?

 

[serfty]

I can't.

The 380 is not very economic on very long legs. You get to the point of carrying fuel so you can burn fuel :!:

That's little different from the situation for the 744ER's currently being used.

The 388 would give more flexibility.

 

[smit0847]

This is quite off-topic but do people think QF could make SYD-HNL-JFK work on a new A330? It would mean passing through customs in HNL but it would break a very long trip but almost exactly in half and I can certainly think of worse places for an optional stopover than HNL!

 

[Must...Fly!]

Would require aircraft they don't have/are committed elsewhere.

Nice idea though.

 

[ChrisFlyer]

I've said it before but the Dreamliner is not the answer to every single route. Yes it has range for SYD-DFW and back again but it is a small a/c. Imagine wow many seats it would have in a 3 class Qantas config and then how many crew it would take to fly these very long haul flights. Even with the fuel savings the Dreamliner gives it doesn't make for good operating costs compared to the larger A380's and 747's due to it being so small.

I never suggested that the Dreamliner should operate this route - my post re-iterates the rumour that even if QF filled their orders for the 789s, it would likely still be an A380 operating the flight.


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[lovestotravel]

This is quite off-topic but do people think QF could make SYD-HNL-JFK work on a new A330? It would mean passing through customs in HNL but it would break a very long trip but almost exactly in half and I can certainly think of worse places for an optional stopover than HNL!

Just fly Hawaiian airlines, they already do this

 

[straitman]

That's little different from the situation for the 744ER's currently being used.

The 388 would give more flexibility.

It is actually a lot worse than the 744ER at that range.

 

[serfty]

It is actually a lot worse than the 744ER at that range.

Significantly so - that's surprising given the 388 is supposed to be more fuel efficient than a 747 - do you have figures?

 

[markis10]

Significantly so - that's surprising given the 388 is supposed to be more fuel efficient than a 747 - do you have figures?

Depends on the range, at 6000nm its a 6% advantage based on fuel per seat (note Airbus seat figures are inflated for their models and deflated for Boeing)

 

[straitman]

Significantly so - that's surprising given the 388 is supposed to be more fuel efficient than a 747 - do you have figures?

The figures were passed to me quite a while ago from a friend (Empire Test Pilot) so I would struggle to find them now.

I'll look though.

 

[markis10]

The figures were passed to me quite a while ago from a friend (Empire Test Pilot) so I would struggle to find them now.

I'll look though.

You did post here: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....380-versus-b777-comparison-airline-35564.html re a comparison against the 77W

 

[Sprucegoose]

Sydney to Dallas is Qantas hub to American Airlines hub, so there is zero chance of the flight ever being canceled, it offers so many one stop destinations to the Americas.

I will always try and fly to LAX for the extra SCs but if you need to be somewhere in a hurry SYD-DFW is your best choice.

It makes you wonder why it took them so long to establish this route as it is an obvious feeder route.

 

[serfty]

Depends on the range, at 6000nm its a 6% advantage based on fuel per seat (note Airbus seat figures are inflated for their models and deflated for Boeing)

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Given SYD/DFW is 7.5k, it's likely there would be a significant variance between the 744 and the 388 than for the 6k figures quoted.

IIRC, there's something about 388 distances posted by JB in "Ask the pilot" - I'll try to locate it.

 

[Simo]

I believe DFW is a feeder route for other parts of America.

I might be going to Vegas is Feb and DFW is one option with a flight back to Vegas good alternate to LAX.

 

[Awesom Andy]

Are there any other types suitable for this route? I guess a 77W is probably the only other viable option (ignoring the fact that QF doesn't have any and won't be getting any either). The 77L and A345 is probably a bit on the small side for such a high demand route. And likewise, a 787 probably isn't the best for this type of missions either - although I can see it doing something like SYD-SFO in a somewhat high density configuration. Whichever way it is, I suppose the 744ER's still have 6 - 10 years left in them, fuel prices permitting.

 

[Kangol]

The 380 is not very economic on very long legs. You get to the point of carrying fuel so you can burn fuel :!:

Interesting, what is a "very long leg"? something like MEL/SYD-LAX?
What will MEL/SYD-DXB mean then? or LHR-SIN?