Who flies to Melbourne and back - just for Status? WE DO!

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This is the possibly the longest trip report for the shortest trip in history. Mr Clipped and I flew to Melbourne and back yesterday - thinking we could crash him over the Velocity Platinum Line once more.

The story so far: Husband needed 2 more sectors to reclaim Velocity WP. And although glomming it in Gold is no shame fest, the planning of our upcoming (8 pax) USA 2020 trip needed the kind of ammunition afforded only to a Velocity Plat. We had plenty of points and SC, so that wasn't an issue.

So we calculated a devious plan: Feed the teens breakfast, tell them we're headed over to the factory (on a Sunday - yeah right) for the day, then do a quick return run to Melbourne before they've looked up from their Battlefront V consoles.

We were each owed an Amex comp flight and were running out of 2018 to redeem them. So we booked for January and copped the few bucks in fees. The deal was made even more attractive by Flight 830 SYD-MEL @ 10am - which was an A330. Ha! I rang Velocity and upgraded us to Biz with 20,000 points - which is probably a stupid move given the flight time of one hour. But as I said: it was an A330 people! I scored 1A/2A for this sector, then booked us on VA853 home on the dreary B738. Ho hum. Didn't bother upgrading this leg, because I figured we'd have chewed our way through enough lounges that an inflight meal wouldn't entice.
Anyhoo, we crept out of the house at 6am, crept down to Sydney and crept into the Virgin Australia Lounge at exactly 8am. Two glorious hours to feast on free food, read the paper without having to solve the "MUUUUMMM - where's my black hoodie?" and the ultimate parental privilege: use the bathroom with the door closed. Am I right, or am I right?

I must remind our viewers that the objective today, was to NOT spend any money on food. Not one cent. All meals would be courtesy of the Sydney and Melbourne Lounges, as well as our flights. We parked the car and slid into the VA Lounge early. Time to hit the breakfast bar. A scrambled egg offering was just the thing, coupled with some nicely charred baby sausages. Dreamy cappuccinos that melted on contact - and crisp newspapers that were devoid of previous readers' DNA. Virgin Australia's Sydney Lounge was simply the epitome of good taste and polite conversation. Sunday is a great day to fly!

We bid a temporary goodbye to our secluded corner and jostled with the mainstream day trippers to Gate 45 around 0920. Oddly enough, my Virgin app beeped and warned me that boarding was now closed. We were only at Gate 31. I panicked and ran faster than a pensioner to the Red Spot Special at Big W.
Mr Clipped however, exercised a level of restrained caution with his new knees (which, annoyingly - were subject to a most public display of scrutiny at check in - AGAIN). He cantered expertly to the departure gate and met up with me. By now I was panting and totally out of breath. I looked like the scraggly cat in Bugs Bunny. And he looked like Pepe Le Pew. Most passengers had already boarded. But gate staff ushered us through with a smile and we took our place at the front of the plane.
Business Class on the A330 is as tantalising as it is on the B777. Sink into those familiar cushioned armchairs and nothing else matters.
Cabin crew introduced themselves and a generous glass of non-vintage bubbly makes a welcome appearance. The world, it's problems, even our kids - all are a distant memory as we climb into the clouds.

Today, we were YES men. Today was all about saying "yes" to everything. So when they offered us breakfast, we said "yes".

Mr Clipped had the smoked salmon and I dined on a potato rosti of some sort. Very nice - and presented with the kind of pride you would find at some groovy cafe.

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Our trays were overflowing with extras - juice, bread rolls, biscuits, yoghurts etc. I wolfed most of it down, except those delightful parmesan cookies. Instead, I stashed them in my bag for later. Yum.

The flight was almost over before it really began. There was no need to watch TV, so I just flicked through the latest issue of Voyeur and listened to Train on my Quiet Comforts. Cabin crew were responsive and polite, but not as adorable as some of them can be. The (ugh) used bandaid that Mr Clipped found stuck to his chair was a pretty nasty shock, but our FA removed it and disinfected the area as soon as we brought it to her attention. I don't blame the cabin crew for this - but the contract cleaners at Sydney have a bit to answer for.....

Touchdown at Melbourne was on time and uneventful. Our plan was to hot foot it to the Virgin Lounge where we would relax for a few hours before boarding our homeward flight at 3pm.

Now, I am not a huge fan of tennis, but I do appreciate it as a spectator sport. The Australian Open is obviously a big deal, and I respect that. But the rowdy revellers who converged on the VA Lounge and pretend they were actually at the Open - were nothing short of disrespectful. Every single shot was met with a collective and ear splitting "AAAAHHHHHH or OOOOHHHHHHH or YAAAAAAAEEEEEEES!"
Lucky for us, there were some loud crying babies to offset this din, so we chomped down on the soup, bread and salads and drank our weight in Coronas - then toasted a magnificent day thus far.

Flight 853 carried us home to Sydney. J was packed so we couldn't upgrade, but counted our blessings for Row 3. I gotta say, the food served in Business on the way back did not smell appealing, but maybe that's my brain reconciling the fact that I wasn't in Business and it was just trying to make me feel better.

Mr Clipped and I closed our eyes for most of the journey. When we opened them, the familiar outskirts of Sydney closed in and we glided over a million red roofs and touched down in Sydney with a comfortable babump.

Isn't row 3 awesome for disembarkation? We made our way back easily into the Virgin Lounge to test the Arrivals Theory. I am pleased to report the welcome mat was just as genuine as the pre-flight one. This time, dinner was being served. A delicious slow roasted beef that we stuffed into mini wraps with cheese, sour cream and whatever cold salad items we wanted. Another shout of Coronas before we called it a day and waddled back to the Stamford Hotel for the evening. We rang the kids and confessed our evil plot, "Uh'huh" was the deadpan response.

Laughing like a pair of cheeky kids, we thought we were so very clever with this quick trip. But the last laugh was on us. Velocity politely advised today that our Amex comp flights were not eligible sectors. So it looks like we have to book another flight somewhere for the day...

What's the odds we can fool the kids twice?
 
Wish I could get mrsOpusman to consider a status run. She just rolls her eyes when I suggest it.
 
As you said Sunday’s are a great day day to do a Dom status run. The wife loves the early start Sunday’s from ADL especially with the bargain rates at the Atura which can be as low as $80 a night. ADL-MEL-OOL return is our most frequent status run with VA and QF.
 
Wow, that J class food looked awesome, as did the lounge offerings. Qantas really needs to up their game here.
 
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.....We were each owed an Amex comp flight ....

First I was comp flight and sector recognition?
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.........Anyhoo, we crept out of the house at 6am......objective today, was to .....

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Laughing like a pair of cheeky kids, we thought we were so very clever with this quick trip. But the last laugh was on us. Velocity politely advised today that our Amex comp flights were not eligible sectors. So it looks like we have to book another flight somewhere for the day...

What's the odds we can fool the kids twice?

Now Im.... ;)
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Qantas recognises the complimentary Amex bookings for SC so that’s a bit cheeky of VA. I don’t understand why it matters who ‘pays’ for them?
 
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Qantas recognises the complimentary Amex bookings for SC so that’s a bit cheeky of VA. I don’t understand why it matters who ‘pays’ for them?
It can be hit and miss; VA didnt recognise them last year, but did the year before....
 
Qantas recognises the complimentary Amex bookings for SC so that’s a bit cheeky of VA. I don’t understand why it matters who ‘pays’ for them?

Back in the early days of the Amex QF Ultimate card, it explicitly said in the Ts&Cs that the 'complimentary' flight was not eligible for SCs and points.

The interesting thing was that Amex generates a Sabre PNR, while QF uses Amadeus. So the booking would not show on logging in to QF therefore making it impossible to select a seat, for example.

The trick was to phone QF, saying 'a travel agent has made a booking for me but I can't see on QF. What's going on?'. Agent would take the Sabre PNR and plonk its Amadeus proxy onto the QF system and... Bob's your uncle: seat selection, SC, points ;).

I don't know if something similar could be done at VA.

Nowadays, with the Amex QF Ultimate card having a $450 travel credit instead of a 'free' flight, booking at Amex generates both the Sabre and Amadeus PNRs and the booking automatically appears at QF. The SC/points issue has evaporated with that change.
 
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Qantas recognises the complimentary Amex bookings for SC so that’s a bit cheeky of VA. I don’t understand why it matters who ‘pays’ for them?

I should have read the fine print I guess. But yes, it is a little harsh isn't it? You have to spend money with your Amex card to even get the comp flight in the first place, pay cash for the fees, they are even classified as Elevate fares on the ticket and - we upgraded to Economy X with cash. There was certainly enough revenue in the "free" booking - that's for sure.

Thanks for all the humour, support and laughter folks. You made me smile at my own stupidity at least :D
 
Qantas recognises the complimentary Amex bookings for SC so that’s a bit cheeky of VA
Very thankful that they do, the SCs from flights purchased with my Qantas Amex Ultimate flight credit are key to me getting to gold this year (DSCs on those flights too).
 
Back in the early days of the Amex QF Ultimate card, it explicitly said in the Ts&Cs that the 'complimentary' flight was not eligible for SCs and points.

Funnily enough, it wasn't SC or points we were seeking. Mr Clipped has over 1430 SC and plenty of points. It was recognition of the flight sectors. We created separate itineraries with our individual Amex identities, both of us booked the same VA marketed and operated flights via the Virgin Australia comp flight console. Velocity upgraded our departure/return flights over the phone to Business/Economy X respectively with no hesitation (and I've heard that can be a bit hit & miss), and then linked the two itineraries to appear under Mr Clipped's Velocity bookings. I was just under the assumption that his flights were legitimate sectors that would contribute to his flying activity.

I would very much love someone to clarify if any reward seat counts as an eligible sector. Not for SC or points - just the sector recognition.
 
Funnily enough, it wasn't SC or points we were seeking. Mr Clipped has over 1430 SC and plenty of points. It was recognition of the flight sectors. We created separate itineraries with our individual Amex identities, both of us booked the same VA marketed and operated flights via the Virgin Australia comp flight console. Velocity upgraded our departure/return flights over the phone to Business/Economy X respectively with no hesitation (and I've heard that can be a bit hit & miss), and then linked the two itineraries to appear under Mr Clipped's Velocity bookings. I was just under the assumption that his flights were legitimate sectors that would contribute to his flying activity.

I would very much love someone to clarify if any reward seat counts as an eligible sector. Not for SC or points - just the sector recognition.
Oh, that’s even a little worse for you then. Bummer.
 
Aahh, gotcha.

I'm surprised that the base flights didn't count as eligible sectors, irrespective of SCs or points. After all, they were fundamentally paid flights.

I don't fly VA, so I don't know how the Amex flights work with them. Is it still 'complimentary' flights (from the way you describe, it seems to be) or is it a travel credit?

The Amex 'complimentary' QF flights were never given a $$ value that was revealed to the customer, but they booked into a rock-bottom fare bucket (O, IIRC). If that bucket was unavailable on the chosen flight, they (ie. the Amex TA, as you had to phone to redeem your 'free' flight) would quote an additional charge to fly in the next cheapest bucket, should you wish to take that option. There were times when I paid an additional $20-40 for that option.

Under those circumstances, it would seem unreasonable to claim that a flight doesn't count as an eligible sector. Your money has been expended, one way or another, to take a flight.

Without knowing details, my inclination would be to query it. Could the fact that you upgraded obscured the fact that underneath it lay a purchased fare? That is to say, is the system possibly seeing what you did as a straight-up redemption booking, somehow obscuring the fact that it was an Amex flight, albeit ostensibly 'free' to you but, fundamentally, paid in $$ by Amex on your behalf to VA to purchase it?
 
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Laughing like a pair of cheeky kids, we thought we were so very clever with this quick trip. But the last laugh was on us. Velocity politely advised today that our Amex comp flights were not eligible sectors. So it looks like we have to book another flight somewhere for the day...

If you've just flown them, they might actually post in a couple of days. I've had Velocity flights go both ways with posting...
 
Without knowing details, my inclination would be to query it. Could the fact that you upgraded obscured the fact that underneath it lay a purchased fare? That is to say, is the system possibly seeing what you did as a straight-up redemption booking, somehow obscuring the fact that it was an Amex flight, albeit ostensibly 'free' to you but, fundamentally, paid in $$ by Amex on your behalf to VA to purchase it?

Good point. I rang and queried this yesterday. But not before reading the T&C's relating to the particular interpretation of an "eligible sector" (and there's 4 hours of my life I won't get back...). It very clearly states that a reward fare is not an eligible far. But I wasn't aware it was deemed as a reward fare. It referred to our bookings as ELEVATE on the Virgin page under Your Bookings. Sadly, I cannot access that now because the flights have been flown. But you are correct - someone must have paid for them and that someone would be Amex.

Beggars can't be choosers. If I pushed for an argument, it may draw more attention to the fact that we upgraded seamlessly from an Amex Comp to Business with points. And ipso facto - we may open a can of worms that shuts down that precedent for future frequent flyers.

Now, good old Clipped Wings wouldn't be too popular with the FF natives if I did that...:rolleyes:
 
How is that deemed an Award fare? You didn’t use points but paid for it. They don’t access from the U bucket so how would VA know?
 
As you said Sunday’s are a great day day to do a Dom status run. The wife loves the early start Sunday’s from ADL especially with the bargain rates at the Atura which can be as low as $80 a night. ADL-MEL-OOL return is our most frequent status run with VA and QF.

Not one, but two errant apostrophes. What does 'Sunday's' possess?
 
How is that deemed an Award fare? You didn’t use points but paid for it. They don’t access from the U bucket so how would VA know?

Amex generally buy a 'discounted' ticket. The subclass would give it away.
 
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