Why don't QF and CX get along?

[smit0847]

I've constantly read about how QF and CX dont really like each other, and if they werent both OW, would want nothing to do with each other.

Surely given how important and close the economic ties are between Australia and China, it would benefit both airlines to closely cooperate on getting pax into their countries and ferrying them around.

So, why don't they like each other? QF and AA seems to get along very well?!

 

[The Rok]

I think it's more a CX issue as opposed to a QF issue. CX don't really like dealing with other airlines.

 

[markis10]

CX used to be in bed with AN, and have traditionally been a competitor to Qantas for resources including flight crew, in fact they have more flight crew bases in Australia for international pilots than QF does.

Having both been founded by Australians, the two airlines have been in competition directly for a long time.

As for promoting China, I am not too sure about that given their majority owner is hardhearted in the UK, the Swire group, albeit with a large HK presence, they are hardly Chinese centric, although the fact Air China owns 29% does add some Chinese flavor, and possibly another reason to be not totally happy to work with QF.

 

[oz_mark]

It was once put to me that while they were not bosom buddies, and that they fiercely compete on some routes, their working relationship was not really worse than with other airlines.

That is, their dislike for each other was a bit overstated!

 

[cmon0005]

Considering QF's lack of an Asian partner, and CX's great Asian coverage, really they should form codeshares and use HKG as the main hub for greater Asia, and SIN for southern Asia.
Either that or they need to restart negotiations with MH, maybe not to start a new airline but at very least start codesharing for Asia/Sub-continent.

 

[moa999]

The problem for Qantas is that CX already fly into pretty much all Australian ports, so better for them not to give QF a codeshare and ensure everyone flies on CX metal all the way.

More interesting is the recent CX/NZ deal
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....airpoints/nz-cx-form-alliance-code-44686.html

 

[Fruitcake]

This is an interesting read too:
Qantas & Virgin Australia look for new Asian partners: China Eastern for Qantas, Cathay for Virgin? | CAPA - Centre for Aviation

 

[JohnPhelan]

CX's relationship with BA is just as difficult - I often see on UK-based websites posters asking why CX and BA can't get along!

The common denominator always seems to be CX.

 

[Sprucegoose]

CX are very loyal to OW Emerald status.

 

[jdlover23]

CX are very loyal to OW Emerald status.

Can u elaborate? Do they prefer any OWE's more than others, apart from top tier CX'ers of course

I have to decide which OWE number to put into my upcoming CX flights in PE, got op upped on the way over with my QF number in but want my AA miles now I'm EXP with them too...

 

[drron]

Can u elaborate? Do they prefer any OWE's more than others, apart from top tier CX'ers of course

I have to decide which OWE number to put into my upcoming CX flights in PE, got op upped on the way over with my QF number in but want my AA miles now I'm EXP with them too...

On every occasion I had a flight on CX in the 12 months I was OWE with AA I got upgraded J-F.Unfortunately these were all Asian destinations where F has now disappeared.

 

[moa999]

On the three occasions I have flown CX with F I am 0/3 upgrades (twice to TPE, once to LHR)
I have flown in F sold as J however.

 

[trentusjuventus]

I fly CX out of TPE frequently, and have been op upped from Y to J on a few occasions, but never on QF (either domestic or int.). Looking at QF vs CX between major Australian cities, it's not hard to see why CX has the upper hand (and should be keen to keep it). Take for example the choices out of BNE or MEL and CX wins hands down for both schedule allowing connections beyond HK, and for frequency of services.
On a side note, I recently did a J award BNE-TPE on CX as a PS, and the points level required was less than it would have been had I taken QF to HKG and then CX to TPE. Seems a little strange that QF frequent flyers can travel for less points on CX than their own airline. Win for CX again.

 

[ftm]

CX hardly get on with anyone.

 

[VA777]

Pre QF take over of TAA/Australian Airlines CX & TN had a strong relationship.

 

[drron]

CX hardly get on with anyone.

There was also the article linked by serfty in the MH and OW thread suggesting CX dont get along with anybody-
New oneworld member Malaysia Airlines seeks to finally turn the corner in 2013 but challenges remain | CAPA - Centre for Aviation

 

[samh004]

The problem for Qantas is that CX already fly into pretty much all Australian ports, so better for them not to give QF a codeshare and ensure everyone flies on CX metal all the way.

More interesting is the recent CX/NZ deal
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....airpoints/nz-cx-form-alliance-code-44686.html

I didn't think too much of that CX/NZ deal, the details were very vague regarding lounge access and true FF benefits... earning and redeeming and a few codeshares (will NZ get a codeshare to the UK?) isn't huge. If it goes beyond that however...

This is an interesting read too:
Qantas & Virgin Australia look for new Asian partners: China Eastern for Qantas, Cathay for Virgin? | CAPA - Centre for Aviation

That's an interesting read.

I never realised the reason CX/QF can't do more with domestic flights was because of anti-trust, but then that's what an alliance is all about, choosing your partners already, over someone else...

I do wonder if a CX/VA partnerships could include lounge access and the like, could squeeze Qantas a lot in that regard, but also make the QF lounges a much nicer spot... might make F lounge access interesting too, if flying CX on a VA code

 

[drron]

I do wonder if a CX/VA partnerships could include lounge access and the like, could squeeze Qantas a lot in that regard, but also make the QF lounges a much nicer spot... might make F lounge access interesting too, if flying CX on a VA code

Although an OW operated flight it would not be an OW marketed flight so no QFFlounging.

 

[JohnK]

CX are very loyal to OW Emerald status.

That is not how I see it and I mean that in a nice way.

 

[cmon0005]

That is not how I see it and I mean that in a nice way.

Didn't you get an Op-up on CX recently? I remember seeing it in one of the recent upgrade threads.