Will you still earn/retain Velocity status beyond 2025?

What impact will the Velocity changes have on your status beyond 2025?


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The Velocity programme and ease of status earning was the major draw to VA for me when I arrived in Australia. Quite sure I wouldn't have engaged so much without it.
Pretty sure I would have flitted between QF, VA and JQ on a BFOD basis otherwise. I'm no big fish for flight spend but imagine there are others like me.
I'll still fly VA when price is right as I have the Amex Charge for lounge access but as will usually have OWS (via QF, BA or IB at various times) or QP via PC+, I won't chase status now with VA.
Having said that, maybe I wouldn't have honed my efficient use of FF programmes if Velocity hadn't whetted my appetite
 
Based on the SC/spend model, there's several situations where more SCs would be earned relative to the current SC/distance model. However, I haven't done any calcs to see how many SCs I might expect with my travel patterns. But suffice to say it isn't going to be cheap to replace the 220 SCs that two-leg sub-$500 J fares would earn during DSC. If I can nab a couple of those before April 2025 to extend WP for another year then I will, but it's a near certainty that the price rise, coupled with the other devaluations, will see me investigate other carriers/programs once status runs out.
 
A real shame there was not a 5th option in red - I'd have ticked that -

  • I'll likely upgrade to a higher status tier
  • I'll likely keep the same status tier that I currently have
  • I'll likely downgrade to a lower status tier
  • I don't fly Virgin Australia enough to earn status anyway
  • Far too much change, too fast. A DUMB move - I'll now fly where I choose, going forward.
If Virgin thinks my partner and I will donate 10k a year spend EACH, to sit in an exit row seat that can be bought for $15 cash by anyone with a credit card, they have rocks in their heads!

All this year they've had Qantas totally on the back foot, now they have blown their advantage big time with this badly conceived Brain Fart package, of barely thought through changes. This was the year to change NOTHING major, and attract some disenchanted Qantas flyers. Best of both worlds. :D

They are a slightly upmarket LCC, with no lounges even for folks flying Virgin to the Pacific or Asia etc, (or even in Hobart!) pretending they are the market leader. WRONG.

And they are an LCC planning a market float - and when revenues fall off the cliff during 2025, that will not look too hot for prospective investors, compared to the great 2024 figures. QANTAS announced a DSC offer within days of this Brain Fart, as I predicted, and will be courting Virgin elites aggressively, I'd suggest.

We can now book LITE fares if we prefer, as SC are near meaningless, and pay $15 to sit in an exit row, or can redeem points, which means Virgin gets zero bucks from us.

The 'Forever Gold' conditions are WAY too onerous and were very poorly thought out. FIVE emails to Plat line on this are unanswered (so much for that alleged PLAT benefit contact point) - have zero idea of my alleged SC total over 11 years, that need a Math Professor to wrestle with, to add only DCS or TSC totals, that Virgin appear incapable of doing. Any airline with BRAINS would have had that data showing on EVERY account right now, and BEFORE the announcement was made.

Been a Virgin PLAT for over 10 years and THAT was the savvy model to award 'FOREVER' Status with - as Air France and real airlines have discovered, as THEY are smart. Ten years constant top elite and you are in - job done. It is only mid tier GOLD, on essentially a LCC for goodness sakes, with few overseas partners. :(

United have FOUR lifetime tiers - STARTING at Gold. These are the BIG BOYS -- and a partner, and Virgin clearly have not learned from their long experience with such plans or even studied them.

We are both Virgin Platinums already to 2026, and hence soft land to Gold until 2027 .... so all a loss to Virgin.

If we want to fly to Europe we'll now have OUR choice of carriers - based on price and other factors. If we want to grab an intro Biz Class fare deal on Turkish Airlines etc, we now CAN, and credit the miles to United. Or use other carriers that allowed miles to be credited somewhere useful. Qatar is now driving this Virgin bus, and with HEAVILY reduced SC earns even on Biz Class fares to Europe, there is no point.

As the Seekers song said - 'The Carnival Is Over'.

We have Lifetime United Gold (hence Star Alliance Lifetime) that gives us full Virgin Lounge access, (even on LITE fares!) Priority Boarding, Priority check-in, and extra bags etc. And have Amex Platinum card for even more lounge access. Handing Virgin $20,000 minimum to receive no extra benefits, except to book an exit row for 'free' and save $15, has no appeal at all to us, at least.

And we will not be alone in that. ❗

This below is Matt's helpful table of $$ pain, that I still feel MASSES of Virgin flyers are unaware of - Most here probably are, but outside here - near zero idea this is the new deal I'd bet - and when THEY stop flying as much, or change to Qantas, the bottom line will get kicked hard -


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Virgin have bungled this big time.

So you keep saying, again and again - but not from my point of view. Rewarding actual frequent flyers on their metal is an excellent idea.

If we want to fly to Europe we'll now have OUR choice of carriers - based on price and other factors.

You have always had that choice; but you've chosen, it seems, to be handcuffed by status which I don't think is ever a good idea. Enjoy the liberation!
 
Has there been any mention anywhere of how this will affect the upcoming partnership with Air NZ (if that's still going ahead at all)?

I would be platinum under the new system (gold currently) and could maintain that for a few years likely, but after my next requal I will probably switch to Flying Club and credit VA flights there instead. Won't be flying less with VA though as it's still good value for domestic flights.
 
You have always had that choice; but you've chosen, it seems, to be handcuffed by status which I don't think is ever a good idea. Enjoy the liberation!

No I disagree.

With QF status you get a choice of QF, EK, QR, BA, MH, CX, JL, UL; and at least fly one long haul leg with AF, KL, AY, IB and others.

Most of these are booked direct with that other airline and they price compete with QF but still recognise QF status.

You are absolutely not handcuffed.

VA is burning what little choice there was.
 
I managed to get back to SG in July, at the very beginning of my member year after hard landing to Red (thanks to the TSCs!). I also received a Virgin Voyages status match off that SG (so not too bad bang for the bucks).

I didn't bother chasing WP at the time because the of 8 'squiggles' required (4x for SG was on one trip wasn't too hard). But I have until next July to upgrade to WP under the existing scheme - which I wasn't planning on doing, but if the opportunity presents itself (another DSC / TSC promo!), I might just do it - because I can - and then have WP-> SG through to whenever that would be.
Speaking of squiggles (eligible sectors), is the 2:4:8 requirement staying?

It would seem “belts and braces” to retain those AND introduce 50% earn on VA?
 
Eligible sectors will no longer be used.
That makes sense! I don’t recall seeing it mentioned specifically before (or was paying attention).

Pondering now if there’s actually ways to leverage that…🧐
 
Has there been any mention anywhere of how this will affect the upcoming partnership with Air NZ (if that's still going ahead at all)?

I would be platinum under the new system (gold currently) and could maintain that for a few years likely, but after my next requal I will probably switch to Flying Club and credit VA flights there instead. Won't be flying less with VA though as it's still good value for domestic flights.
Doesn't affect the upcoming one-way relationship with NZ at all.

Flights will still need to booked on the VA codeshare for lounge access/FF/etc as booking on the NZ code receives nothing under the one-way relationship.
 
Can’t see anything really changing for me. Will easily retain Platinum each year and most likely reach Platinum Plus.
VA are still going to far cheaper in J than the opposition for my domestic flying so at a minimum of 20 J flights per year I’ll remain Platinum comfortably.
Perhaps if another program could be used I’d consider it but I can’t see that happening so I’ll just stick with them
 
I'm one of those people who Virgin must be trying to get rid of, flying only a handful of times a year, but in high fare buckets plus a fair amount of SCs from SQ.
Given how easy VA status is to obtain vs SQ and CX, I know I can't whinge too much! It's been a good ride...

The main attraction to Velocity for me has been "gold" tier benefits on SQ + redemptions on EY J to Europe. The flybuys partnership has also worked very well for me given how often Coles does 4 weeks * $50/$60 -> 50000 pts challenges.

I reckon I can hold onto VA SG until July 2026 though booking "status runs" before the April 2025 cutoff (so I have enough SC's inbound on both sides of my review date, from the current earn structure).
If DSC offers continue to happen after April 2025 I could continue to stretch it further, even more so if I have work travel I can get booked onto a VA codeshare.

A couple of options I am thinking about:
  • Give up on VA status, but retain the important amenities domestically through credit card lounge access + EconomyX (the rumoured changes to the Velocity Platinum AMEX might work for me)
  • Reshuffle my credit card strategy to participate directly in other programs like SQ, EY and QF. I'll ignore any transfer promotions into VA from now on, unless I have an immediate use for those points.
    • I could start aggressively churning on the QF side as I haven't really participated in that program.
    • The HSBC Star Alliance card looks very attractive (to get Star Alliance status), but I'm uncertain my annual spend will consistently reach the level ($60K p.a) to hold onto Gold through it alone.. But it's a tool I can use if if I lose VA status, or VA reduces benefits on SQ.
  • Use the 'Asia stopover' strategy more often, and pay cash for J from low cost Asian ports (I sorta did this last year with AirAsia X + EY through KUL). Especially for me, as I have family in the Philippines, making that a viable detour for trips to Europe or even the US.
  • If any status becomes unattainable, then I could start pushing more premium spending onto unaligned or LCC-type carriers (Sri Lankan, Chinese carriers, Air Astana, Air Asia X, Scoot etc.)
 
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...and that's minimum $ amount if you fly domestic* only. A VA marketed flight to Singapore, for example, will earn 100SC in J irrespective of how much you pay. $12/SC is only on their own metal (*we live in Australia, Bali is domestic 😅)
 
I fly exclusively for work, and VA have been our cheapest option domestically thanks to a deal with our travel agent. The new regime is a downgrade for me as it means I’ll likely be sitting just under the maintenance level for Gold retention.

Because I live in a regional area, I can always choose to fly QF and justify the cost because of a “regional connectivity” clause in my contract. But, I did that for three years and was always 50-100 SC shy of Gold. Now that my work have an arrangement with QR, and I can obtain Gold QR through Accor’s program I don’t see any point to retaining VA once these changes roll through.
 
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I’ll be able to maintain a QR Gold for 2025, at least.
Which is fine if you have International travel.
If you fly a lot domestically and use VA you haven’t really got anywhere else to credit those flights so you are locked into Velocity.
Everyone’s situation is different though
 
You are absolutely not handcuffed.

Which is exactly what I was saying. Ozstamps has been railing about the changes to Velocity and saying that after being a 10 year VA Plat, they'll now book other carriers. They have always been able to choose other carriers (it doesn't sound like a company policy), but have apparently chosen to be 'loyal' to VA and handcuff themselves to that scheme. No need, could fly any airline, any time (price and schedule permitting) - so not handcuffed, except by choice.

I've always said loyalty and chasing status is a mugs game.
 
Which is exactly what I was saying. Ozstamps has been railing about the changes to Velocity and saying that after being a 10 year VA Plat, they'll now book other carriers. They have always been able to choose other carriers (it doesn't sound like a company policy), but have apparently chosen to be 'loyal' to VA and handcuff themselves to that scheme. No need, could fly any airline, any time (price and schedule permitting) - so not handcuffed, except by choice.

I've always said loyalty and chasing status is a mugs game.

You appear to have missed my, and I think OzStamps’ point.

You can chase QF status and use that status while not being handcuffed. A good chunk of the major carriers recognise QF status even though they are QF competitors.

VA status is only good on VA, and its ever shrinking network of partners (most of which require VA fares for status recognition). So good for the company but not the customers. That is handcuffed. Previously there was at least a few choices.

Chasing status is not a bad thing if you can get value from it. Going cold turkey from loyalty programs, unless you only fly J, is equally a bad idea.
 

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