Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[jb747]

The Seychelles are using some AZ and mainly Sinophan (the WHO may have approved it, but WHO has a very low bar of 50% efficacy) and the real world results from Brazil and now Seychelles show its not very good at stopping spread.

In the medium term, is stopping the spread even an issue. If the various vaccines reduce the magnitude of the resulting illness, and largely stop the need for hospitalisation, then it’s simply another version of the cold (or flu). I certainly can’t see it being eradicated, and we cannot keep going the way we are.

 

[tgh]

If the various vaccines reduce the magnitude of the resulting illness, and largely stop the need for hospitalisation

Seems a life threatening if to me given the current Covid viral evolution ; I know folks are wishing for more but IMnsHO the tunnel light is back to flickering and dimming somewhat.. ...

we cannot keep going the way we are.

I opine that we can, and that we are managing fairly well.
Life could be much much worse.. perhaps you need a new car….

 

[jb747]

Life could be much much worse.. perhaps you need a new car….

I guess you don't live on a border zone, nor have you seen the vast majority of your friends become unemployed.

 

[tgh]

I guess you don't live on a border zone, nor have you seen the vast majority of your friends become unemployed.

Nope.. and I sympathise with every unemployed person and every dead persons friends and family.
Life must indeed be trying living in a border zone, in some places it even encourages folks to use bombs and rockets
Viewed with a near lens, Covid life has been trying for some and tragic for many many more.
Viewed holistically , I opine that we continue to live fortunate lives. Ym clearly varies.. such is life

 

[Pushka]

In the medium term, is stopping the spread even an issue. If the various vaccines reduce the magnitude of the resulting illness, and largely stop the need for hospitalisation, then it’s simply another version of the cold (or flu). I certainly can’t see it being eradicated, and we cannot keep going the way we are.

The metrics are still about the numbers of infection unfortunately and not the numbers needing hospital care. That's what happens when the CHO's (in most states) are running the show.

Being in the industry, the mental health issues of slamming borders shut and no sign of reopening (state and international) are becoming much more serious, and hidden, than the pandemic. And there's no vaccination for that.

 

[Chalkie]

The Seychelles are using some AZ and mainly Sinophan (the WHO may have approved it, but WHO has a very low bar of 50% efficacy)

Not just the WHO. The US FDA set the same bar:

"To ensure that a widely deployed COVID-19 vaccine is effective, the primary efficacy endpoint point estimate for a placebo-controlled efficacy trial should be at least 50%" (see the Development and Licensure of Vaccines to Prevent Covid-19 | Guidance for Industry, published by the US FDA in June 2020).​

 

[Lynda2475]

The US FDA set the same bar:

That quote was from prior to vaccine availability. However, things have changed and if you look at the only 3 vaccines that have actually been approved for use in the USA all have much higher trial efficacy and real world performance.

 

[cove]

We get our second shot next month and we wouldn’t miss getting it. The AZ shots are way better than getting the chance of organ damage or death from this virus.
Our sons and their partners are younger and are getting the Pfizer shots fairly soon. Recently they have been travelling more than us.

 

[Deleted member 6404]

Easy answer. NO bloody way, and I dont care about not traveling OS and by the way if I hear of anyone of my friends have been vaccinated they wont be allowed on to my property not for at least 24 months anyway that should be enough time to see the long term effects of this experimental drug I dont want them spreading or shedding the disease that they may or may not have as apparently you can still catch it even though vaxx_ed and have no symptoms but still spread it around. Keep away.

 

[Chalkie]

That quote was from prior to vaccine availability. However, things have changed and if you look at the only 3 vaccines that have actually been approved for use in the USA all have much higher trial efficacy and real world performance.

No, things have not changed. The US FDA has not changed any efficacy criteria. The three vaccines in the US that have emergency use authorisation submitted their dossiers for emergency use authorisation to meet the criteria set out in the Guidance for Industry as published.

 

[drron]

As well the 3 vaccines they have given Emergency Authorisation to are all from American companies.That is the important fact rather than any foreign owned company vaccine being of supposedly lesser efficacy.
They are no better than China who were roundly criticised when they said only people vaccinated by a Chinese vaccine would be allowed to travel to China.
One of the reasons we will not be going back to the USA.

 

[Pushka]

Easy answer. NO bloody way, and I dont care about not traveling OS and by the way if I hear of anyone of my friends have been vaccinated they wont be allowed on to my property not for at least 24 months anyway that should be enough time to see the long term effects of this experimental drug I dont want them spreading or shedding the disease that they may or may not have as apparently you can still catch it even though vaxx_ed and have no symptoms but still spread it around. Keep away.

Guess you won't be at any AFF catch ups then? This is a travel forum so maybe it won't be the right space for you anymore.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Guess you won't be at any AFF catch ups then? This is a travel forum so maybe it won't be the right space for you anymore.

Hopefully there will be room for all views and preferences. As long as those in the vulnerable cohort are given the opportunity to vaccinate, and all others outside that who want to get vaccinated can, those preferring not to shouldn't have an impact on the rest.

 

[Pushka]

Hopefully there will be room for all views and preferences. As long as those in the vulnerable cohort are given the opportunity to vaccinate, and all others outside that who want to get vaccinated can, those preferring not to shouldn't have an impact on the rest.

Yes. Very true. Everyone needs to be given the opportunity but once that’s done I’d trust that those who choose not to, don’t have any impact on policy. That, to be honest, is a concern. However I don’t like the tone that by being vaccinated makes us some kind of evil spreader.

 

[Lynda2475]

No, things have not changed. The US FDA has not changed any efficacy criteria. The three vaccines in the US that have emergency use authorisation submitted their dossiers for emergency use authorisation to meet the criteria set out in the Guidance for Industry as published.

And all 3 approved have exceeded that low benchmark significantly. When they move from emergency to full authorization you can bet no candidates qwith 50% efficacy will be approved.

That is the important fact rather than any foreign owned company vaccine being of supposedly lesser efficacy.

The Pfizer BioNTech vaccines is jointly developed and manufactured by a US and German company. The USA is benefitting from the ability to be able to produce all vaccine types locally.

Australia could be doing much better if when Moderna and Pfizer approached the Australian government last year, they were open to dealing earlier rather than assuming AZ would solve all.

 

[tomlee1986]

Now with AZ being available for anyone over 18, I will consider it, but I might delay it to get the Pfizer one as I always try to follow the rules where possible, and with the limited contact with others, I would prefer to wait for my turn in Pfizer.

Also I am under 50's anyway, thus Pfizer shot is recommended for me

 

[mviy]

I have booked a Telehealth appointment for tomorrow. As my GP's practice is only doing second doses this week I may then head to a vaccine hub to try and get whatever they're willing to give me later in the week. Some have said that there are less vaccinations on Friday so maybe that's the best time to go.

 

[TheRealTMA]

What's the minimum time one can have the second AZ jab after the first. I know the recommended procedure is around 12 weeks and the minimum something like after 4 weeks.

Anyone have any definite info?

Probably depends on the clinic maybe?

 

[Must...Fly!]

What's the minimum time one can have the second AZ jab after the first. I know the recommended procedure is around 12 weeks and the minimum something like after 4 weeks.

Anyone have any definite info?

Probably depends on the clinic maybe?

Not dependent on clinic, or at least it shouldn't be. ATAGI very clear on this.

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca The recommended interval between two doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is 12 weeks.

The minimum interval between doses is 4 weeks. In clinical trials, the timing of administration of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca ranged from approximately 4 weeks up to 26 weeks. In a post-hoc analysis, vaccine efficacy following the second dose of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca progressively increased with a longer interval between doses and appeared to be greatest when the interval was ≥12 weeks. Short-term efficacy from 3 weeks after the first dose, before the second dose and up to 12 weeks post vaccination was about 73% (95% CI:48.79–85.76).40

Short term efficacy from 22 days until 90 days after a single dose was 76% (95% CI: 59·3–85·9). The duration of protection after a single dose has not yet been established, and a second dose is recommended for optimal protection.

Shortening the interval from 12 weeks to no less than 4 weeks between doses is acceptable and may be appropriate in certain circumstances, for example, imminent travel or anticipated risk of COVID-19 exposure. If a dose has been inadvertently given before the minimum 4-week interval, it is not currently recommended that the vaccine dose be repeated.

If the second dose of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is administered later than the recommended interval, no further doses are required.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/06/covid-19-vaccination-atagi-clinical-guidance-on-covid-19-vaccine-in-australia-in-2021_1.pdf

(pages 12 & 13)

 

[PineappleSkip]

I raised this at the centre when I got my first AZ jab and they suggested ideally at least 8 weeks; the closer to 12 weeks the better. They booked me in for 12 weeks, and I could bring this forward if needs be. I was quizzing my doctor yesterday on the commentary around “two weeks to be effective“ but she thought it wasn’t an issue for seconf jab, only first. (proposed departure date a few days after second jab).

cheers skip