Year 3 kid qantas classic rewards tickets

[Quickstatus]

Very interesting. Thanks for the info.

I wonder if this is a cabin crew discretion?

 

[sudoer]

It’s not till the CSM comes to say hello personally to him due to his QFF status.

Love it.

 

[Shark bait]

I believe its up to cabin crew discretion.

3 yo and up need to purchase/have their own seat, BUT I cant see anything in the T&Cs that says a child (of any age) cant sit on your lap with a lap belt assuming they fit the lap belt, assuming its not ridiculously unsafe.

Our little man currently uses a SafeFit device supplied by Qantas on the plane for the seat belts in J. Pretty useless device and most FAs don’t even know how to use them. Supposed to prevent the 3 point seat belt from riding up around his neck.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I believe its up to cabin crew discretion.

3 yo and up need to purchase/have their own seat, BUT I cant see anything in the T&Cs that says a child (of any age) cant sit on your lap with a lap belt assuming they fit the lap belt, assuming its not ridiculously unsafe.

Our little man currently uses a SafeFit device supplied by Qantas on the plane for the seat belts in J. Pretty useless device and most FAs don’t even know how to use them. Supposed to prevent the 3 point seat belt from riding up around his neck.

Even if this was the case, it doesn’t help the OP. In the OP’s example, they wanted to save money/points by purchasing economy for the infant, or if not possible, purchasing economy for the adult.

Holding an economy ticket, the adult wouldn’t be permitted to sit in business class.

 

[Shark bait]

Even if this was the case, it doesn’t help the OP. In the OP’s example, they wanted to save money/points by purchasing economy for the infant, or if not possible, purchasing economy for the adult.

Holding an economy ticket, the adult wouldn’t be permitted to sit in business class.

You are probably correct. What would work in their favour if the plane is full on departure and they can easily state they were only offered 2 reward seats in J so had to get one in Y. It would be an interesting scenario if an adult parent in Y is refused to spend time with their child (who is 3) in J. If I had to hedge my bets, the CSM/FA would happily allow the parent to come forward if the circumstances are reasonable. Even though it’s probably against airline to policy to allow a pax to move around classes, it will be a very strict CSM to stop a parent in Y seeing their child in J.

From my experience, I do find the crew on Qantas to be very accommodating to the needs of family (particularly mine) on flights.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You are probably correct. What would work in their favour if the plane is full on departure and they can easily state they were only offered 2 reward seats in J so had to get one in Y. It would be an interesting scenario if an adult parent in Y is refused to spend time with their child (who is 3) in J. If I had to hedge my bets, the CSM/FA would happily allow the parent to come forward if the circumstances are reasonable. Even though it’s probably against airline to policy to allow a pax to move around classes, it will be a very strict CSM to stop a parent in Y seeing their child in J.

From my experience, I do find the crew on Qantas to be very accommodating to the needs of family (particularly mine) on flights.

Well yes, but there would already be an adult seated with the child in J. And the child could always go back to Y to see the parent (Why is it that parents always want to go up a class instead of down?)

 

[Quickstatus]

Whatever the cabin crew discretion in the matter, I believe lap position for a 3 year old to be an unsafe position.

Infants who can’t sit up are better off nursed in the lap or an approved car seat

But If they can sit up they should be in their own seat with their own seat belt.

Lap belt extensions I believe are unsafe. Children in this position have been crushed by their jackknifing parents in a crash (UA232 Sioux City). But on the other hand the unrestrained child may also be injured by being a flying object, but it is believed that it’s the lesser of 2 evils if a lap position is unavoidable. I believe many airlines don’t use lap belts extensions anymore.

I have not revisited this subject for many years but I strongly believe that children who can sit-up should be in their own seat and seat belt - just like in a car.

The airline in this case clearly requires children over 2 to have their own seat, cabin crew discretion notwithstanding.

When we travelled with our then very young twins, they were strapped into an approved car seat which we took everywhere including aircraft

Airline travel is very safe. Do we need to reduce its safety? Seat belts help - but only if it’s correctly used. It’s there for a reason. Asiana airlines 214 crash is an important lesson in seat belts. A cartwheeling aircraft and 2 of the 3 passengers who died apparently did not wear the seatbelt. The rest survived including some cabin crew who were ejected but they were strapped in.

Would appreciate industry comment here

 

[bcworld]

3 yo and up need to purchase/have their own seat

2yo and up I think?

 

[Quickstatus]

The airline says over 2 - must have a seat.
I presume that also means must sit in it when directed notwithstanding any cabin crew discretion

 

[JohnK]

Whatever the cabin crew discretion in the matter, I believe lap position for a 3 year old to be an unsafe position.

Infants who can’t sit up are better off nursed in the lap or an approved car seat

But If they can sit up they should be in their own seat with their own seat belt.

Is it safe for a 2 year old to sit in their own seat with seat belt done up tight?

I know there are some who insist on using car seats but I cant carry 3 medium size bags + golf clubs + car seat.

 

[Quickstatus]

Is it safe for a 2 year old to sit in their own seat with seat belt done up tight?

I know there are some who insist on using car seats but I cant carry 3 medium size bags + golf clubs + car seat.

Depends if they can sit up and stay still then they need to sit on lap

 

[JohnK]

Depends if they can sit up and stay still then they need to sit on lap

If they can sit up and stay still that's ok right? Wouldn't want to have daughter on lap as she gets older.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

Is it safe for a 2 year old to sit in their own seat with seat belt done up tight?

I know there are some who insist on using car seats but I cant carry 3 medium size bags + golf clubs + car seat.

Children can sit on the parents lap for takeoff/landing and use infant seat belt so long as they are <=15KG. Age does not matter.
With that in mind, the OP's question isn't so silly. If the child is barely 3yrs, weight likely to be around or less than 15KG depending on the genetics of the parents. If the parents are happy to have the child on their lap all flight (treated as lap infant) and child doesn't exceed weight restriction - should there be a new type of ticket for these scenarios? How many parents want to buy/fly in business/first class, but consciously buy-down to economy class because of this logic. Could in fact be costing airlines lost revenue!

 

[Quickstatus]

A lot of airlines don’t use infant seat belts that attach to parent’s seatbelts for reasons here:

Child Restraint in Australian Commercial Aircraft

If can sit up independently and stay still within seatbelt then better in seat else lap baby position is best if don’t have something like an airline approved car seat.

However as I have said upthread, a car seat is a lot better. Shouldn’t we restraint a child on an airplane the same way as we restraint a child in a car? We had twin boys in a car seat each when we travelled. (Virtue signalling? - I suppose so but that’s what we did)

 

[Haplo]

I had my 4 year old in a J seat in the refurbished A330 and she was given a special piece of bracket (it is like a Y shaped bracket) over her chest and the sash belt and seat belt goes between it.

So I think it is possible for a 2 year old to sit in J by themselves with the bracket over their chest.

 

[jasonfungsing]

Sorry for the confused post. To make it clear, I care about my kids' safety, not just in flights but anytime. I NEVER plan to leave kids alone anywhere in the plane.

My original thought was to get two business class seats and one economy seat(under kid name) but leave it empty for the whole flight, including the takeoff and landing. I thought the kid can simply sit on lap during take off and landing.

For those who said the kid is older than 2 years old and can not sit on our lap. That's incorrect. Because we fly with kid once after she is more than 2 years old. We bought her a ticket with a seat. However, during take off and landing, cabin crew still suggest we hold her in our lap even after they knew we got her a seat right next to us.

Anyway, thanks for all the helpful replies. Looks like it is a bit hard to redeem two business and one economy in one transaction.


Cheers

 

[jasonfungsing]

Is it safe for a 2 year old to sit in their own seat with seat belt done up tight?

We fly once after our kid is older than 2 years. We bought her a seat. But the cabin crew still suggest us to hold her on our lap during take off and landing.

 

[jasonfungsing]

Whatever the cabin crew discretion in the matter, I believe lap position for a 3 year old to be an unsafe position.

Infants who can’t sit up are better off nursed in the lap or an approved car seat

But If they can sit up they should be in their own seat with their own seat belt.

I have not revisited this subject for many years but I strongly believe that children who can sit-up should be in their own seat and seat belt - just like in a car.

The airline in this case clearly requires children over 2 to have their own seat, cabin crew discretion notwithstanding.

We fly once after our kid is older than 2 years. We bought her a seat. But the cabin crew still suggest us to hold her on our lap during take off and landing.

 

[jasonfungsing]

Do you plan to have your daughter sit with you for take off and landing?

yes, that's my plan

 

[jasonfungsing]

I'm with Ansett, seriously.

And while I don't want to be harsh, c'mon a 3yr old on her lonesome in Y why the 2 parents are in J - gee whiz .

Thanks for your reply. I never plan to do this.