DJ ups the ante, + 2 A330s , terminal refits etc

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VIRGIN Blue Holdings Ltd says it will add a further two wide-body Airbus A330 aircraft to its domestic fleet by 2012.

The airline group had already announced earlier this year plans to bring two Airbus A330s into service for flights to Perth from Australia's east coast from May 2011.

But Virgin Blue chief executive John Borghetti says a further two A330s will join the fleet in early 2012, also for long-haul services between the West Australian capital and the eastern states.

"The wide bodied A330 will appeal to both the leisure and corporate customer," Mr Borghetti said today.


Read more: Virgin Blue to take on two more A330s | News.com.au


JBs address to shareholders also details terminal refits starting at BNE this week:

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20101124/pdf/31v3f4ch29s5t0.pdf


 
The problem I see is they still need to up the ante on the seating (too hard) and on board service (pay as you go) to be of much interest, not just changing AC type
 
The problem I see is they still need to up the ante on the seating (too hard) and on board service (pay as you go) to be of much interest, not just changing AC type


As mentioned by CrazyDave98 here:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....rgin-blue-dj725-1-apr-22464-2.html#post313730

DJ are looking at new seats and configs, and that current deliveries are not indicative of the "new product" we will see from May and June but rather a result of the certification issues with the current designs and lack of choices availabel when the aircraft have been ordered.
 
One of the other things mentioned today was an increased focus on PER. Specifically, increased codeshare with Skywest to regional WA, more A330s for W-E coast routes, relocating the Dom terminal to over near the international terminal.

I get the impression that folks in PER aren't always impressed with the service they get from QF - i wonder whether JB is specifically targeting this?

I wouldn't be surprised if this results in efforts to connect PER to Abu Dhabi by either VA or EY (it is not currently an Etihad port) and whether there is any intention of flying more international 737s out of Perth to ports in SE Asia - would be much easier to do if the terminals were near each other. Perhaps using it as a hub as JQ use DRW?

Hmmm.

777.
 
would be much easier to do if the terminals were near each other. Perhaps using it as a hub as JQ use DRW?

Hmmm.

777.

ISTR something about the terminals being rearranged and as part of the deal DJ will move ALL flights to what is currently the international terminal. Perhaps this is all part of the renewed focus on PER.
 
I get the impression that folks in PER aren't always impressed with the service they get from QF

You're not wrong there!

I'm just glad they have a bus that connects the two terminals now (and it doesn't use the highway).

To QF's credit, T2 (QF domestic) is better now (notwithstanding NGCI, of which I have no experience) than it was 5 years ago. It's still not a sizeable difference and I can't believe in QF's non-wisdom that they didn't consider a J lounge for PER. Ridiculous.

The QF T1 QP, I also hear, is equally an embarrassment.

QF's consistency of using A330 equipment on Perth CityFlyers has been spotty.

I have no idea if QF's facilities will improve once and/or if it annexes the current common user space (where DJ, SkyWest and Alliance operate their flights), but I'd be bl**dy well doing so.


Was DJ being offered to move to the new Terminal WA? Where was this going to be situated? And I wonder if QF would move JQ there? Naturally, it's not an attractive option for DJ if aerobridges are a necessity, let alone a lounge.
 
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ISTR something about the terminals being rearranged and as part of the deal DJ will move ALL flights to what is currently the international terminal. Perhaps this is all part of the renewed focus on PER.

I believe Virgin will be moving around 2013 to the new terminal.
 
To QF's credit, T2 (QF domestic) is better now (notwithstanding NGCI, of which I have no experience) than it was 5 years ago. It's still not a sizeable difference and I can't believe in QF's non-wisdom that they didn't consider a J lounge for PER. Ridiculous.

The J lounge was considered, but I believe space was an issue. Perhaps when DJ vacates the common user terminal.
 
I get the impression that folks in PER aren't always impressed with the service they get from QF - i wonder whether JB is specifically targeting this?
IMHO, I haven't seen this impression myself.

Being based in PER and having experienced both carriers, give me QF any day of the week and twice on Sunday compared to the abysmal DJ service here. I've not seen anything to date specially here in PER that would convince me to give DJ, even under Borghetti, a second chance to earn my business and trust.

ISTR something about the terminals being rearranged and as part of the deal DJ will move ALL flights to what is currently the international terminal. Perhaps this is all part of the renewed focus on PER.
That was the plan, but a major sticking point of the move was that the temporary facility for thia (Terminal WA) had no airbridges. That is where the deal came unstuck, and I've not read anything since which demonstrates either a change in DJ's posture on the airbridge issue, or the addition of them to the terminal design.

I'm just glad they have a bus that connects the two terminals now (and it doesn't use the highway).
They've had a terminal connection bus for the better part of 5yrs+, and it has never used the highway for as long as I can remember.

The bus had until recently used airside roads, which have since been converted to public roads to make inter-terminal journeys easy for all.

The QF T1 QP, I also here, is equally an embarrassment.
I disagree. The T1 QP lounge was upgraded during 2008, completed in Q1 09. The lounge has decor, fittings and fixtures on par with virtually all INT J lounges on the network.

Size is a downside, seating around 80-100 pax after the upgrade, and that is simply because of the terminal size and lack of room to expand the floorplate on account of just how much EK has taken up there. Food service is Ok, and is no worse than a DOM QP.

Was DJ being offered to move to the new Terminal WA? Where was this going to be situated? And I wonder if QF would move JQ there? Naturally, it's not an attractive option for DJ if aerobridges are a necessity, let alone a lounge.
Yes they (DJ) were offered a move, but lack of airbridges was a major sticking point (see earlier comment). QF/JQ have never been slated to move there, and their plan was to stay at T2 until a complete consolidated DOM/INT operation came online. There was QF press release on this last year.

I believe Virgin will be moving around 2013 to the new terminal.
bwhahahahaha. That's a good one.

It's late 2010 now, and there's already a shortage of qualified contractors for construction projects in PER, plus they have work coming out of their ears.

While site works and the apron may have been done, I don't see how the Terminal WA complex could be constructed and running before EOY 2013, not withstanding the complex tendering and design processes that would need to be completed before the first trench was dug.

The J lounge was considered, but I believe space was an issue. Perhaps when DJ vacates the common user terminal.
Space isn't an issue for QF in PER at all. If they really wanted to construct the J lounge to tide them over until the consolidated terminal envisaged in the 2024 Master Plan is constructed, all that was needed is to extend the floor plate over the old outdoor garden between T2 & T3.

They've already managed to put a link corridor between the two terminals, and new administration space amongst other things in there. The QP upgrade demonstrates that there is a more than viable method of floorplate extension at their disposal that won't compromise terminal operations.
 
I get the impression that folks in PER aren't always impressed with the service they get from QF - i wonder whether JB is specifically targeting this?

777.

Lol. AFF the land of sweeping generalizations! I'm not always impressed by those either.

The reason DJ are targeting the areas is pretty bleeding obvious - high yield, money to be made.

QF thumps DJ more so here than anywhere else, DJ had the wrong metal, wrong service etc etc = the biggest opp for them to make some quick money to pay off the new (or not so new depending who you believe!) A330s with J class coming into the fleet.

I believe Virgin will be moving around 2013 to the new terminal.

Oh....... Who wants a bet on that one :)
 
That was the plan, but a major sticking point of the move was that the temporary facility for thia (Terminal WA) had no airbridges. That is where the deal came unstuck, and I've not read anything since which demonstrates either a change in DJ's posture on the airbridge issue, or the addition of them to the terminal design.

I think the point of yesterday was that it was a new announcement. If you'd read the links about yesterday's DJ AGM they quite clearly confirmed the move. It's confirmed in this morning's West Australian from the airport:

Perth Airport to get $500m facelift - The West Australian

In summary DJ are moving to the a new wing of the expanded international terminal which will be next to terminal 2 [is that the old terminal WA?] "A domestic/ international pier will also be built, allowing airlines to move planes between domestic and overseas services... Virgin Blue's expanding operations will move to the enlarged international terminal and Skywest Airlines and many other carriers will move to Terminal 2."

Being in the same terminal seems to give DJ a big advantage over QF and others if they choose to use WA as a connecting port into SE Asia?

777.
 
That was the plan, but a major sticking point of the move was that the temporary facility for thia (Terminal WA) had no airbridges. That is where the deal came unstuck, and I've not read anything since which demonstrates either a change in DJ's posture on the airbridge issue, or the addition of them to the terminal design.

A few months back, there was an agreements struck that would result in DJ moving to phase 1 of the international terminal redevelopment, with its codeshare partner, Skywest, moving to Terminal WA at the same time.


Yes they (DJ) were offered a move, but lack of airbridges was a major sticking point (see earlier comment). QF/JQ have never been slated to move there, and their plan was to stay at T2 until a complete consolidated DOM/INT operation came online. There was QF press release on this last year.

No, the plan was that when DJ moves, QF will take over the space. They already have had some operations out of the terminal.

bwhahahahaha. That's a good one.

It's late 2010 now, and there's already a shortage of qualified contractors for construction projects in PER, plus they have work coming out of their ears.

It's the timeframes being thrown around at the moment. Since there is apparently an announcement from the airport today, one would assume they will give the latest timeframes from their perspective.


Space isn't an issue for QF in PER at all. If they really wanted to construct the J lounge to tide them over until the consolidated terminal envisaged in the 2024 Master Plan is constructed, all that was needed is to extend the floor plate over the old outdoor garden between T2 & T3.

They've already managed to put a link corridor between the two terminals, and new administration space amongst other things in there. The QP upgrade demonstrates that there is a more than viable method of floorplate extension at their disposal that won't compromise terminal operations.

It may be technically feasible, but that does not mean it makes commercial sense, and there may not have been agreement between the various stakeholders to do this.

By 'they've' managed - do you mean the airport operator has managed to do this or has Qantas managed to do this?
 
The QF T1 QP, I also hear, is equally an embarrassment.

From what I saw of the refurb (it wasn't complete then) back in December 2008 it was pretty much on par with what I have recently seen in MEL & PER, so not too bad. Now SQ's lounge at PER.... well... let's just say it aint too crash hot! :shock:
 
Lol. AFF the land of sweeping generalizations! I'm not always impressed by those either.

Regardless of DJ's motives, I would agree that Perth people probably aren't overly satisfied with QF. There is a complete lack of product consistency, even in Business.

Whether it's right or wrong, Perth went through a stage of having primarily B743's. This got people used to Inseat IFE. Now there's a mix of 737, 767, 332 and 333. Even within the 332 it's a lottery on whether you'll get inseat IFE, and what sort of seating you'll get.

On one flight in J, two guys got on behind me and announced 'oh great, another coughpy old plane'. It was an A332. There assessment was based on poor legroom and no inseat video. If only they knew that things would have been better in a 20 year old International config 767.

SYD-PER is over 5 hours, and I think good IFE will sell tickets to 'average' fliers.
 
If DJ built a clubhouse in PER would that make QF scramble to build an FLounge and/or a DOM J lounge.
 
Whether it's right or wrong, Perth went through a stage of having primarily B743's. This got people used to Inseat IFE. Now there's a mix of 737, 767, 332 and 333. Even within the 332 it's a lottery on whether you'll get inseat IFE, and what sort of seating you'll get.

I'm not so sure they were ever 'primarily' 743s. There was always 767's and 737's on the routes as well.

As for the 332 - all the QF 332's now operating have inseat IFE.

When DJ start flying their 332's across, there is possibly going to be similar product consistency issues for a while as well.
 
The other thing I can see people in PER disliking is the int config 767s being used. I've heard they arn't too crash hot.

Edit: What if QF launched a direct PER - AKL service?
 
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