Revenue Fare on Qatar - Credit to QFF and/or QR Q Miles?

[ronlon]

Hi , I am about to book a paid Qatar Airways fare . I have the option of entering my Qatar privilege club number or Qantas FF number. I rarely take a paid fare and usually travel via QF and partner award seats. I have no Qatar points.

Is there any benefit using my Qatar membership ? Can I enter and earn points on both airlines ?

 

[RichardMEL]

You should note if your flight is after the end of this month that QR is transitioning to the Avios (BA) currency for miles. This may or may not affect your choices.

The thing is having "orphan" points in a program are not that useful specially if on a partner airline you DO have points - it makes sense to pool in the one partner and as you know QR and QF are partners.

The only potential gotchya is that you may earn less QFF points (almost certainly actually) on QR flights due to their agreement, but you could at least earn points (and Status Credits) with QF. If that is where you plan to pool and use your points from them probably best to stick with them.

However if you think you may wind up moving more to QR for the future and want to build up with them, then it makes sense to start o credit to them.

so it really depends on where you want your points to reside, and how you plan to use them (status may or may not be a factor - possibly not if you're just mostly burning points for rewards)

imo

 

[andye]

You should note if your flight is after the end of this month that QR is transitioning to the Avios (BA) currency for miles. This may or may not affect your choices.

The thing is having "orphan" points in a program are not that useful specially if on a partner airline you DO have points - it makes sense to pool in the one partner and as you know QR and QF are partners.

The only potential gotchya is that you may earn less QFF points (almost certainly actually) on QR flights due to their agreement, but you could at least earn points (and Status Credits) with QF. If that is where you plan to pool and use your points from them probably best to stick with them.

However if you think you may wind up moving more to QR for the future and want to build up with them, then it makes sense to start o credit to them.

so it really depends on where you want your points to reside, and how you plan to use them (status may or may not be a factor - possibly not if you're just mostly burning points for rewards)

imo

You have to choose between the two and it is the number on the boarding pass which counts.
You would earn more QR status credits (Qmiles) than QF SCs but QR status thresholds are quite high.
You can check the difference in points earn using the QR Qcalculator (https://www.qatarairways.com/en-au/Privilege-Club/qcalculator.html) and the QF earn tool (https://www.qantas.com/au/en/frequent-flyer/calculators.html#/) . I suspect the points earn will be fairly similar with either program.
QR are changing Qpoints to Avios. It's not clear yet if they will be interchangeable with BA Avios.
BA Avios does have some redemption sweet spots in Aus eg short hops such as SYD-MEL and some medium routes such as MEL-PER.
Overall you are probably better keeping points in one program.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

Unless you are travelling a lot, the decision of which frequent flyer program to credit to won't make much of a difference since on Qantas or Qatar, you'll need to fly a decent amount out of pocket to earn the necessary credits to earn status. So then, the real bone of contention would be where do you think you'll make the most use of the frequent flyer points accumulated? Since you mentioned you fly a decent amount on QF awards seats, I'd say that crediting your miles to QF makes the most sense since QF's award program has access to the most seats and routes of all the one world airlines (e.g. you can't book certain QF award flights with BA Avios).

-RooFlyer88

 

[sudoer]

The only potential gotchya is that you may earn less QFF points (almost certainly actually) on QR flights due to their agreement

Some QR discount economy classes don't earn any QFF points at all.

OP, it would be wise to check your exact booking class against the QFF earn category tables:

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/frequent-flyer/earn-points/airline-earning-tables/earn-category-tables.html?int_cam=au%3Aairline-earning-tables%3Aarticle%3Afrequent-flyer-earn-categories%3Aen%3Ann#qatar-airways

If you don't see your booking class listed in the table, it won't earn with QFF.

You can also refer to wheretocredit.com to check for any non-oneworld partners which you could potentially credit to also.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Stick with QFF I say, as its quite easy to keep the points alive, just have to buy a bit of fuel from BP and your QFF account will keep ticking over.
Edit: turns out Avios points also do not expire, but you have to keep having activity with them, points earn every 36 months, ie, fly with a OW partner and enter your Avios #.
Larger spend, for us in Aust on that, ie, either take a flight or hotel stay.
As the others have said, unless you will fly with Qatar a lot/BA a lot, then go with Avios.
With QFF, smaller spend to keep your points alive.
OT: most likely in Dec 2023, I plan to try JL MEL - HND/NRT, but will enter my QFF number for sure, yes, the points earn is less than QF's own bird, but the timing that JL leaves MEL suits me.
O, and you can't transfer points from one OW partner to another, unlike VFF and SQ KF sooner or later.

 

[prozac]

Msprozac about to fly Qatar first time JFK-PER. Should she allocate points to Qantas or Qatar Avios? She is based mostly in Europe these days.

 

[RooFlyer]

There is a similar thread here:

Qatar Avios on Qantas flight

Is it worth crediting qantas flights points to Qatar Avios? Or is it substantially less than just crediting to Qantas points? I read an article from point hack before about this. But I can't find it I can't even find which class of economy I have booked

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

Having locked away QF (or more importantly, OneWorld) status, I'm now flying and crediting QR - earning Avios, which are common currency with BA and IB. BA Avios redemptions on Qantas have (BC) been excellent value and availability. So @prozac if Ms intends to fly BA over there, I'd suggest crediting this flight to QR.

 

[prozac]

There is a similar thread here:

Qatar Avios on Qantas flight

Is it worth crediting qantas flights points to Qatar Avios? Or is it substantially less than just crediting to Qantas points? I read an article from point hack before about this. But I can't find it I can't even find which class of economy I have booked

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

Having locked away QF (or more importantly, OneWorld) status, I'm now flying and crediting QR - earning Avios, which are common currency with BA and IB. BA Avios redemptions on Qantas have (BC) been excellent value and availability. So @prozac if Ms intends to fly BA over there, I'd suggest crediting this flight to QR.

In past 12 months she has flown a couple of times EU-Brazil and EU-USA and Brazil-USA + various internal USA. She flies a bit within EU also where she is now domiciled. Funny how covid changes lives.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Go for Avios.
If you want to, see how many QFF points she would earn, using the QFF points earn calculator.
Edit: have a sit and a strong coffee:
JFK - DOH in whY earns 1875 QFF points and 40 QFF SC
DOH - PER in whY earns 1450 QFF points and 30 QFF SC
Is it worth putting the flights points earn to QFF, with so small a points earn?
If she is flying at the pointy end, of course more QFF points earnt, but you don't mention the class of travel.
If flies q lot already with QR, maybe she already has status with QR, and QR in OW, any QF flights she takes would recognize her current QR status anyways.
Also QFF points expire after 18 months of no activity, it would be a pity to see the points "die" if she does not utilise them.
And Avios points has a 36 months life term.
Though there are ways to earn QFF points in the OW system, how easy would it be to utilize them within the system with QF's partners, like how well do QF's partners release seats for the partners airline to QF?
Even p+p need a 5000 points and then there is the addition of dom taxes and levies.

 

[prozac]

Go for Avios.
If you want to, see how many QFF points she would earn, using the QFF points earn calculator.
Edit: have a sit and a strong coffee:
JFK - DOH in whY earns 1875 QFF points and 40 QFF SC
DOH - PER in whY earns 1450 QFF points and 30 QFF SC

Flying WhY, though unsure which grade, I expect bottom rung.
Edit: I phoned and level is "Convenience"
Not sure how this translates into status. More reading to do.

 

[sudoer]

Flying WhY, though unsure which grade, I expect bottom rung.
Edit: I phoned and level is "Convenience"
Not sure how this translates into status. More reading to do.

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You will need to confirm the exact booking class - it should be listed on the itinerary, it will also correspond to the first letter of the 'fare basis' if you can see that anywhere.

Per the Partner Earn Category tables here: https://www.qantas.com/au/en/freque...ables/earn-category-tables.html#qatar-airways



KLMV are eligible Discount Economy classes, but S class is not eligible and wouldn't earn any points or SC.

 

[prozac]

You will need to confirm the exact booking class - it should be listed on the itinerary, it will also correspond to the first letter of the 'fare basis' if you can see that anywhere.

Per the Partner Earn Category tables here: https://www.qantas.com/au/en/freque...ables/earn-category-tables.html#qatar-airways

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KLMV are eligible Discount Economy classes, but S class is not eligible and wouldn't earn any points or SC.

Corrected the post. Class is L

Incidently. When I was originally booking and it was a tossup between QF and QR. Booking on the QF business portal (6% discount supposedly) fare was usd$2240. Booking using 3rd party site flighthub dot com it worked out to usd$1937. Quite a saving on the QF official price - usd$200.
QR was similarly priced but had just one connection (3 with QF) so I went with that as Msprozac is working literally the hour she arrives so she should be better rested on QR.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

300 Qpoints for Qatar gold.
Qatar gold is the 2nd highest elite, and convenience earns 71 Qpoints x 2 is 142 Qpoints, and if she flies a lot with QR elsewhere, ie, if she wants to fly ADL - AKL for a visit to NZ, she would earn some Qpoints on that sector.
142 is nearly halfway towards Qatar gold.
QFF needs 600 SC or so for the SG.

 

[prozac]

300 Qpoints for Qatar gold.
Qatar gold is the 2nd highest elite, and convenience earns 71 Qpoints x 2 is 142 Qpoints, and if she flies a lot with QR elsewhere, ie, if she wants to fly ADL - AKL for a visit to NZ, she would earn some Qpoints on that sector.
142 is nearly halfway towards Qatar gold.
QFF needs 600 SC or so for the SG.

Sadly ticket is a oneway so only 71Qpoints. If she flies QR on her return to Eu she could earn another 58Qpoints, not far off Silver (150).
Does she need to join Avios separately to her Privilege membership? I think I saw a link for a referral, but can't locate it now.

 

[RooFlyer]

Does she need to join Avios separately to her Privilege membership? I think I saw a link for a referral, but can't locate it now.

You earn Avios by using PC number in the booking, but to share them with BA Exec Club, you have to link the accounts. Then all your Avios show up in both accounts. Forget wheer I saw a link, sorry - may have to tool around the PC site for a bit.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Does she need to join Avios separately to her Privilege membership? I think I saw a link for a referral, but can't locate it now.

For this one, I don't know, so can't say.
Does she already have an account with Avios/Qpoints already?
You probably know, with QFF, you can't transfer points from it to Avios, but I think family transfers might be the way to go, if you want to open an account for her, if she does not have one, and then, get her to put QFF into any OW booking she has, till she has enough QFF points in there, then sweep the QFF points to you.
A lot of things to consider.
Ultimately, to sum up, if she is going to fly with BA/QR more in future, within Europe (BA), and where ever she needs to go with QR where BA doesn't fly, in future, go with that one, ie, Avios.
One option to build up Avios, if she wants to, is to fly PER - SYD on the way back with QF, putting her BA # into booking, then BA up from SYD - SIN - LHR.
QR does not carry QF flight numbers, but just that its in OW, otherwise, the earn rate would be very low, ie, EK if it does not have a QF flight number.
Also need to check what status tier QR gold/silver is in OW, and if its high enough, that might already give lounge access, internationally.
Sorry for the waffly.

 

[prozac]

For this one, I don't know, so can't say.
Does she already have an account with Avios/Qpoints already?
You probably know, with QFF, you can't transfer points from it to Avios, but I think family transfers might be the way to go, if you want to open an account for her, if she does not have one, and then, get her to put QFF into any OW booking she has, till she has enough QFF points in there, then sweep the QFF points to you.
A lot of things to consider.
Ultimately, to sum up, if she is going to fly with BA/QR more in future, within Europe (BA), and where ever she needs to go with QR where BA doesn't fly, in future, go with that one, ie, Avios.
One option to build up Avios, if she wants to, is to fly PER - SYD on the way back with QF, putting her BA # into booking, then BA up from SYD - SIN - LHR.
QR does not carry QF flight numbers, but just that its in OW, otherwise, the earn rate would be very low, ie, EK if it does not have a QF flight number.
Also need to check what status tier QR gold/silver is in OW, and if its high enough, that might already give lounge access, internationally.
Sorry for the waffly.

Thanks. Everything in flux as she decided to change her domicile since getting caught in Eu on a 3 month working holiday. Now calls AMS home. Will see her for first time in 2.5yrs when she gets back from PER.
She has a close connection someone at Virgin so gets domestic flights at at family rates. There's something, recent tie up VA and QR. Can she put points PER_SYD to QR?

You probably know, with QFF, you can't transfer points from it to Avios, but I think family transfers might be the way to go, if you want to open an account for her, if she does not have one, and then, get her to put QFF into any OW booking she has, till she has enough QFF points in there, then sweep the QFF points to you.
A lot of things to consider.

I didn't know. As @RooFlyer mentions she will get Avios automatically as QR Privilege member. Needs to join BA and link accounts if she wants to use points there. Were you suggesting I could sweep points to BA, I was a little confused?

She does not have any QF status.
I think with all her flying past year EU-USA, USA-Brazil, Brazil-Eu, Eu-Brazil-US, points have been going into a KLM account. Lots of internal US flying also directed to KLM. Must ask how that is working.

 

[RooFlyer]

Were you suggesting I could sweep points to BA, I was a little confused?

No need to sweep. Once the accounts are linked, the avios automatically show up in the balances of both accounts. When you earn new avios on one account, it updates in the other as well. Unfortunately she can only spend them once

I haven't looked at booking flghts on, say BA or QF directly from my Priviledge Club account. Maybe its similar (availabilty and price) to booking via BA EC? In which case she won't need a BA EC account. @Mattg - do you know of the comparative unsefulness of QR Vs BA avios for redeeming on partner OW airlines?

Can she put points PER_SYD to QR?

Yes. Not sure if this will work without a PC account: https://www.qatarairways.com/en-au/Privilege-Club/qcalculator.html

 

[prozac]

No need to sweep. Once the accounts are linked, the avios automatically show up in the balances of both accounts. When you earn new avios on one account, it updates in the other as well. Unfortunately she can only spend them once

I haven't looked at booking flghts on, say BA or QF directly from my Priviledge Club account. Maybe its similar (availabilty and price) to booking via BA EC? In which case she won't need a BA EC account. @Mattg - do you know of the comparative unsefulness of QR Vs BA avios for redeeming on partner OW airlines?


Yes. Not sure if this will work without a PC account: https://www.qatarairways.com/en-au/Privilege-Club/qcalculator.html

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She has a PC account. VA is not a Oneworld member hence I was referring to this which probably won't be in place in a months time.

Virgin Australia announces Qatar Airways partnership | Virgin

Virgin Australia has announced a new partnership with Qatar Airways that will significantly expand both airlines’ networks, lounges and loyalty programmes.

www.virgin.com

In any event as she will be flying VA on family rates so I guess she should fly J if she can, strictly for the points.