A challenge to you folk...

[gumpy]

Is it possible to book a OW First Class RTW ticket which uses all 16 segments and every single flight is FC?

I epically failed last night when I was trying... there really aren't many FC flights going around...

 

[Dave Noble]

Possible if desperate to do so rather than go to places that want to visit

Can do each interregion flight in 1st which gives 6 sectors
Can do 8 sectors in the USA in 1st class bringing it to 14
Just need 2 other 1st class sectors

Dave

 

[anat0l]

Here's one. Whether it's an itinerary worth flying is a totally different story:

syd-lax-sfo-las-dfw-msy-ord-jfk-lhr-mct-lhr-pvg-hkg-nrt-sin-hkg-syd

Verified as OK with Mileage Monkey, however some of the flights are questionable, for example:

• I'm guessing that all jet flights in the US, barring some Florida and all US/Canada flights, have F (rough guess/rule of thumb - probably more exceptions than I can list here)
• LHR/MCT has F according to MM, but I heard a lot that these flights were increasingly being serviced by 3 class aircraft (J/W/Y)
• LHR/PVG was a wild guess; not sure how and why it would be a F operated candidate (what's the F competition flying into PVG?)
• PVG/HKG, HKG/NRT, NRT/SIN and SIN/HKG all seem to have F operating on them, but only for some flights. No doubt it is quite probably to get an aircraft substitution at last minute on any one of these sectors. Also, there's no telling that some of these sectors have already gone to full J/Y service only, and the MM database as well as the ow First Class routes thread (the latter especially) is out of date.

Dave is on the money on how to achieve the goal, but after you expend the 6 sectors in the US plus intercontinentals on either side of that region, you have to exploit F in the other regions, which is not easy given the back tracking rules. As I also alluded to, although plenty of short/medium haul Asia has some F, they are spotty in reality, perhaps even gone.

Oh yes, Dave said 8 sectors, but that requires you to purchase those two extra sectors. My itinerary comes at no extra charge (except perhaps extra fuel fines).

 

[djfuzz]

Here's one. Whether it's an itinerary worth flying is a totally different story:

syd-lax-sfo-las-dfw-msy-ord-jfk-lhr-mct-lhr-pvg-hkg-nrt-sin-hkg-syd

Verified as OK with Mileage Monkey, however some of the flights are questionable, for example:

• I'm guessing that all jet flights in the US, barring some Florida and all US/Canada flights, have F (rough guess/rule of thumb - probably more exceptions than I can list here)
• LHR/MCT has F according to MM, but I heard a lot that these flights were increasingly being serviced by 3 class aircraft (J/W/Y)
• LHR/PVG was a wild guess; not sure how and why it would be a F operated candidate (what's the F competition flying into PVG?)
• PVG/HKG, HKG/NRT, NRT/SIN and SIN/HKG all seem to have F operating on them, but only for some flights. No doubt it is quite probably to get an aircraft substitution at last minute on any one of these sectors. Also, there's no telling that some of these sectors have already gone to full J/Y service only, and the MM database as well as the ow First Class routes thread (the latter especially) is out of date.

It's not terrible - mostly places worth visiting.

Neatly scores WP for a DONE4 (though you'd benefit from a few extra credits for F on 2 class routes) and PG for an AONE4.

 

[Bundy Bear]

Flying all F and starting from Australia; some people have too much money. :shock:

Good suggested itinerary Anat0l.

Here's one. Whether it's an itinerary worth flying is a totally different story:

syd-lax-sfo-las-dfw-msy-ord-jfk-lhr-mct-lhr-pvg-hkg-nrt-sin-hkg-syd

Verified as OK with Mileage Monkey, however some of the flights are questionable, for example:

• I'm guessing that all jet flights in the US, barring some Florida and all US/Canada flights, have F (rough guess/rule of thumb - probably more exceptions than I can list here)
• LHR/MCT has F according to MM, but I heard a lot that these flights were increasingly being serviced by 3 class aircraft (J/W/Y)
• LHR/PVG was a wild guess; not sure how and why it would be a F operated candidate (what's the F competition flying into PVG?)
• PVG/HKG, HKG/NRT, NRT/SIN and SIN/HKG all seem to have F operating on them, but only for some flights. No doubt it is quite probably to get an aircraft substitution at last minute on any one of these sectors. Also, there's no telling that some of these sectors have already gone to full J/Y service only, and the MM database as well as the ow First Class routes thread (the latter especially) is out of date.

Dave is on the money on how to achieve the goal, but after you expend the 6 sectors in the US plus intercontinentals on either side of that region, you have to exploit F in the other regions, which is not easy given the back tracking rules. As I also alluded to, although plenty of short/medium haul Asia has some F, they are spotty in reality, perhaps even gone.

Oh yes, Dave said 8 sectors, but that requires you to purchase those two extra sectors. My itinerary comes at no extra charge (except perhaps extra fuel fines).

 

[gumpy]

Here's one. Whether it's an itinerary worth flying is a totally different story:

syd-lax-sfo-las-dfw-msy-ord-jfk-lhr-mct-lhr-pvg-hkg-nrt-sin-hkg-syd


Verified as OK with Mileage Monkey, however some of the flights are questionable, for example:

• I'm guessing that all jet flights in the US, barring some Florida and all US/Canada flights, have F (rough guess/rule of thumb - probably more exceptions than I can list here)
• LHR/MCT has F according to MM, but I heard a lot that these flights were increasingly being serviced by 3 class aircraft (J/W/Y)
• LHR/PVG was a wild guess; not sure how and why it would be a F operated candidate (what's the F competition flying into PVG?)
• PVG/HKG, HKG/NRT, NRT/SIN and SIN/HKG all seem to have F operating on them, but only for some flights. No doubt it is quite probably to get an aircraft substitution at last minute on any one of these sectors. Also, there's no telling that some of these sectors have already gone to full J/Y service only, and the MM database as well as the ow First Class routes thread (the latter especially) is out of date.

Dave is on the money on how to achieve the goal, but after you expend the 6 sectors in the US plus intercontinentals on either side of that region, you have to exploit F in the other regions, which is not easy given the back tracking rules. As I also alluded to, although plenty of short/medium haul Asia has some F, they are spotty in reality, perhaps even gone.

Oh yes, Dave said 8 sectors, but that requires you to purchase those two extra sectors. My itinerary comes at no extra charge (except perhaps extra fuel fines).

WOW... amazing... =)

Thanks guys (everyone) for your efforts. I ask because I plan on buying my parents two AONE4's for a major aniversary and jsut wondered if it would be worth it if only half the flights were F... Oddly enough they'd want to visit two thirds of the places on your flight plan anat... hehe... few of the places I actually don't know which countries you're referring to but I'll work it out and if F flies there I guess it's a major city. =)

 

[Siegfried]

Its possible - I think the trick is to avoid intra-Europe - pretty much only J available there.

SYD-JNB QF63 08/10/10
JNB-LHR-TLV BA54, BA165 08/10/10
TLV-LHR BA164 10/10/10
LHR-JFK BA175 11/10/10
EWR-ORD AA3768 12/10/10
ORD-MIA AA2004 13/10/10
MIA-DCA AA1268 14/10/10
DCA-DFW AA1667 15/10/10
DFW-SFO AA1077 16/10/10
SFO-LAX AA2234 17/10/10
LAX-HKG CX885 18/10/10
HKG-PEK CX6880 21/10/10
PEK-HKG CX6873 22/10/10
HKG-SYD QF128 23/10/10

All FC (A) sectors

 

[gumpy]

Flying all F and starting from Australia; some people have too much money. :shock:

Good suggested itinerary Anat0l.

lol

rtw ticket buddy, less crazy than you think only 5kish more than the J rtw ticket and it's for a very special occasion for my parents...

 

[anat0l]

Its possible - I think the trick is to avoid intra-Europe - pretty much only J available there.

Agreed. The only intra EUR region flights with F are BA flights between London and the Middle East, i.e. BAH, DOH, MCT, DXB, TLV, AUH....

Some of those you would need a visa for entry. Of course, it's a stretch anyway because you're flying all the way to the Middle East to visit it, then fly back via LHR rather than continuing onto next destination. Well, that's not impossible - e.g. DXB-HKG on CX - but then that's one sector of the 16 that doesn't get filled up, unless you pay for extra sectors in another zone and use the spare there.

Siegfried has a good idea going there but that is a DONE5. More expensive but if South Africa was ever somewhere your parents wanted to go, not a bad itinerary choice either.

 

[docjames]

lol

rtw ticket buddy, less crazy than you think only 5kish more than the J rtw ticket and it's for a very special occasion for my parents...

Are they QFFers? if not, make sure they join prior to their trip!

 

[gumpy]

Are they QFFers? if not, make sure they join prior to their trip!

my mother isn't but I'll make sure she is... they could do some decent award flights after this =)

 

[straitman]

Its possible - I think the trick is to avoid intra-Europe - pretty much only J available there.

SYD-JNB QF63 08/10/10
JNB-LHR-TLV BA54, BA165 08/10/10
TLV-LHR BA164 10/10/10
LHR-JFK BA175 11/10/10
EWR-ORD AA3768 12/10/10
ORD-MIA AA2004 13/10/10
MIA-DCA AA1268 14/10/10
DCA-DFW AA1667 15/10/10
DFW-SFO AA1077 16/10/10
SFO-LAX AA2234 17/10/10
LAX-HKG CX885 18/10/10
HKG-PEK CX6880 21/10/10
PEK-HKG CX6873 22/10/10
HKG-SYD QF128 23/10/10

All FC (A) sectors

Do the LHR-TLV-LHR legs fall foul of the new OW backtracking rule covered here :?: 'OW just changed a rule on the RTW ticket...'

 

[Siegfried]

Do the LHR-TLV-LHR legs fall foul of the new OW backtracking rule covered here :?: 'OW just changed a rule on the RTW ticket...'

Yes, I saw that thread - all I can say is that this routing is either (somehow) not affected by the rule change, or the OW RTW plan / book engine has not been updated to reflect the rule, because that's where this itinerary was created - and it came up as valid / ready to book.

**Edit** Sorry - just saw that your post was a question, not a declarative statement - so my response to your question is I don't know.

 

[gumpy]

Do the LHR-TLV-LHR legs fall foul of the new OW backtracking rule covered here :?: 'OW just changed a rule on the RTW ticket...'

no if you flew from LHR - TLV - LHR and then back to TVL then you break the rule because you've flown LHR to TLV before and this will be the 2nd time...

 

[Dave Noble]

lol

rtw ticket buddy, less crazy than you think only 5kish more than the J rtw ticket and it's for a very special occasion for my parents...

On ATWs, an AONE4 / AGLOB34 is $17097 ex AU whilst even just starting in AKL drops the price to $14001 . Easy $3096 saving per ticket ( minus the cost of a trans tasman )

With "only 5k more consideration" , seems a lot to me , but then I only paid $6200 inc taxes for a 1st r/t europe to NZ recently

 

[straitman]

no if you flew from LHR - TLV - LHR and then back to TVL then you break the rule because you've flown LHR to TLV before and this will be the 2nd time...

Thanks for the clarification. That sounded like how it was meant to be but I was not sure.

 

[gumpy]

On ATWs, an AONE4 / AGLOB34 is $17097 ex AU whilst even just starting in AKL drops the price to $14001 . Easy $3096 saving per ticket ( minus the cost of a trans tasman )

With "only 5k more consideration" , seems a lot to me , but then I only paid $6200 inc taxes for a 1st r/t europe to NZ recently

wow... thanks for that, I'd def start from Auckland for that saving...

how did you manage it so cheap in 1st? and who was the carrier... I must admit I haven't done heaps of 1st fare searches I fly PE for leisure long haul so I never kept an eye on the top class... Normally they're double business so naturally thought the 5k jump from business to first rtw was a bargain...

 

[Dave Noble]

wow... thanks for that, I'd def start from Auckland for that saving...

how did you manage it so cheap in 1st? and who was the carrier... I must admit I haven't done heaps of 1st fare searches I fly PE for leisure long haul so I never kept an eye on the top class... Normally they're double business so naturally thought the 5k jump from business to first rtw was a bargain...

That is the fare from where I started in Europe to Sydney with Emirates . If wanting to start in UK , the fare was more like $8500 r/t . The fare also included the chauffeur drive services and could have had 2 nights free accommodation in Dubai if I had wanted a stopover

Dave

 

[drron]

Having just experienced QF 744 F class and having flown AA,BA,CX F I really wouldn't consider 5K extra worth it for an AONE over a DONE(JL and QFA380 would really have to be exceptional).
From reports,including Dave Noble,it may be worth finding a good TA and see if they can put together an F itinerary using some of the other airlines for a competitive price.My parents flew Emirates to Europe on their first trip and ended up doing it 4 times despite the Scottish bloodlines!

 

[gumpy]

Having just experienced QF 744 F class and having flown AA,BA,CX F I really wouldn't consider 5K extra worth it for an AONE over a DONE(JL and QFA380 would really have to be exceptional).
From reports,including Dave Noble,it may be worth finding a good TA and see if they can put together an F itinerary using some of the other airlines for a competitive price.My parents flew Emirates to Europe on their first trip and ended up doing it 4 times despite the Scottish bloodlines!

point taken, that's fair enough...