General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[Batterytraveller]

A better article on what Moderna is working on. Single shot, multi-valent vaccines for flu, COVID and anything else that might be going around.

this seems pretty revolutionary.

mRNA vaccine technology moves to flu: Moderna says trial has begun

Moderna aims for one seasonal shot for flu, COVID-19, respiratory viruses RSV and HMPV.

arstechnica.com

 

[OZDUCK]

Some movement on vaccine modification targeting the Delta variant.

And some good news for people who have received both vaccine doses, including AZ.

Blood samples from just 10 percent of people immunized with one dose of the AstraZeneca or the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines were able to neutralize the Delta and Beta variants in laboratory experiments. But a second dose boosted that number to 95 percent. There was no major difference in the levels of antibodies elicited by the two vaccines.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/08/world/covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-updates#pfizer-and-biontech-will-test-a-vaccine-against-the-delta-variant

 

[TheRealTMA]

Someone's telling porkies!

Pfizer says no change to Australian Covid vaccine doses, contradicting reports of ‘game-changing’ deal

Prime minister Scott Morrison says pace of vaccination rollout accelerating

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pushka]

Someone's telling porkies!

Pfizer says no change to Australian Covid vaccine doses, contradicting reports of ‘game-changing’ deal

Prime minister Scott Morrison says pace of vaccination rollout accelerating

www.theguardian.com

I understood it was simply that the supply was going to be brought forward and not the total order, and posted that earlier today. We have ordered plenty of Pfizer for all, it was just going to arrive later rather than sooner.

 

[mviy]

40 million doses of Pfizer is a decent amount considering all those that have had AZ and may yet have it.

 

[drron]

I understood it was simply that the supply was going to be brought forward and not the total order, and posted that earlier today. We have ordered plenty of Pfizer for all, it was just going to arrive later rather than sooner.

Yes just the Guardian putting up a misleading headline.In the article it says this from Pfizer-

The pharmaceutical giant Pfizer says there is no change in the number of doses the company has contracted to deliver to Australia over 2021 – contradicting reports asserting the Morrison government had secured a “game-changing deal” to triple its access to the jabs.

What that doesn't say that the delivery has been brought forward and that's what Morrison was saying.
And at the moment it is at least a little change in the game allowing us to quicken the pace of the roll out.

 

[sinophile888]

Re post #1419, my family member's MRI came back clear. I guess he will just have to play a long waiting game until his brain fog disappears. I the meantime, his wife may work more and he will work less.

 

[mviy]

Good to hear that he is doing better than feared.

 

[NM]

It now seems that some businesses in the USA will allow people back into the office ....

• If fully vaccinated and provide details to employer, do not need to wear a mask or social distance
• I not fully vaccinated or not willing provide vaccination status details to employer, must wear a mask and must social distance

I wonder if businesses in Australia will be able/willing to set the same rules here?

Or perhaps this might be more attractive to the Aussie environment

Scott Morrison backs Melbourne pub's offer of a free beer for vaccinated patrons

Prime Minister Scott Morrison backs a Melbourne pub's offer of a free pint to vaccinated patrons, after the Therapeutic Goods Administration told the publican to pull the campaign.

www.abc.net.au

 

[burmans]

I understood it was simply that the supply was going to be brought forward and not the total order, and posted that earlier today. We have ordered plenty of Pfizer for all, it was just going to arrive later rather than sooner.

saying it’s coming a bit earlier is hardly ‘game changing’, maybe each side could try and keep the spin to a minimum. Good news yes, but hardly revolutionary given it was actually announced a few weeks ago.

 

[ethernet]

Re post #1419, my family member's MRI came back clear. I guess he will just have to play a long waiting game until his brain fog disappears. I the meantime, his wife may work more and he will work less.

I will not be liked for reporting that others in other countries are rubbing 1% Ivermectin into fatty arms /Thighs topically with an antihistamine who report this is positive on the brain fog of long covid. However the below debunks this from the neck up. There are other wild excursions

Ivermectin is not thought to readily cross the blood-brain barrier in humans as it is excluded by a P-glycoprotein drug pump (mdr-1). Therefore, it has been considered to be free of the potential to cause neurological adverse drug reactions, except in situations of overdose.

Yes just the Guardian putting up a misleading headline.In the article it says this from Pfizer-


What that doesn't say that the delivery has been brought forward and that's what Morrison was saying.
And at the moment it is at least a little change in the game allowing us to quicken the pace of the roll out.

Early delivery is fine. But they better plan for wastage if there are a lack of takers. Just look at NT or the miserable 20% take-up for those >70. I suggest .au investigate how Singapore got a record beating jab acceptance of late.

Contracts have lots of parts, including a delivery schedule, delivery conditions, Q&A conditions. Early delivery, or mutually agreeable variations will be written in. If you look at the ABC's jab progress charter, you will see countries vaccination rates seem to flatten or peter out before 70% like Canada and Israel. I hear USA is swimming in unused vaccines. They are at only 55% odd, and that's not because of lack of incentives. And in some places, there is drive-thru Moderna shots, 3 minutes and you are done. Given by unpaid volunteers who had 1 hour of training.

Smart thinkers should have a Plan B, should acceptance stall at 67%. I would love to know what the focus groups think about the saturation TV ads, that I do not believe are effective, nor is multicultural impact.

 

[Ric]

Early delivery, or mutually agreeable variations will be written in. If you look at the ABC's jab progress charter, you will see countries vaccination rates seem to flatten or peter out before 70% like Canada and Israel. I hear USA is swimming in unused vaccines. They are at only 55% odd, and that's not because of lack of incentives. And in some places, there is drive-thru Moderna shots, 3 minutes and you are done. Given by unpaid volunteers who had 1 hour of training.


Sseeing that we are great allies and buddies of the US of A, can't our PM Scomo just pick up the phone to President Joe ask ask him to send us a few million doses of their unused vaccines? After all, we willingly followed them into their wars when they asked us to. So I don't see them saying no to us asking for for a few millions doses of their spare/unused vaccines.

 

[jakeseven7]

Yes just the Guardian putting up a misleading headline.In the article it says this from Pfizer-


What that doesn't say that the delivery has been brought forward and that's what Morrison was saying.
And at the moment it is at least a little change in the game allowing us to quicken the pace of the roll out.

I wonder how much we all paid to have them brought forward… and what country was knocked back in return…

 

[RooFlyer]

Someone's telling porkies!

Pfizer says no change to Australian Covid vaccine doses, contradicting reports of ‘game-changing’ deal

Prime minister Scott Morrison says pace of vaccination rollout accelerating

www.theguardian.com

Yes, it’s the Guardian. Read this para - it’s not even internally consistent. First talking about numbers, then saying this is contra to an announcement about access.

The pharmaceutical giant Pfizer says there is no change in the number of doses the company has contracted to deliver to Australia over 2021 – contradicting reportsasserting the Morrison government had secured a “game-changing deal” to triple its access to the jabs.

Just as well it wasn’t the ‘Murdock’ (sic) press.

 

[jb747]

I long ago decided that vaccine status is the new ‘aviation’ as far as the media are concerned. Pretty much everything they write is rubbish.

 

[drron]

Sydney Uni has now started a Phase 1 trial into their new DNA vaccine which will be delivered by a needle-free device.

First Australian COVID-19 DNA vaccine trial commences

Led by the University of Sydney, Scientia Clinical Research (Sydney), Telethon Kids Institute (Perth) and the Women’s and Children’s Hospital (Adelaide), the COVALIA trial uses a gene-based vaccine with DNA sequences from the SARS-CoV2 virus.

www.sydney.edu.au

The Uni is also getting a grant from the NSW Government to study the clinical and immunological responses to COVID-19 vaccines in NSW recipients.Problem is the study is to take 3 years.

Sydney experts spearheads COVID19 vaccine research

www.sydney.edu.au

And the US military has had 23 cases of myocarditis with their vaccination program.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

 

[Pushka]

And the US military has had 23 cases of myocarditis with their vaccination program.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

shhh drron, we don't want to put young people off being vaccinated when benefits outweigh the risks

 

[lovetravellingoz]

A better article on what Moderna is working on. Single shot, multi-valent vaccines for flu, COVID and anything else that might be going around.

this seems pretty revolutionary.

mRNA vaccine technology moves to flu: Moderna says trial has begun

Moderna aims for one seasonal shot for flu, COVID-19, respiratory viruses RSV and HMPV.

arstechnica.com

Yes most interesting.


Though note that with flu vaccines that in Australia are already moving away from from traditional egg protein to cell-based technology. It was hoped that it would be more effective that the previous flu vaccines. Though in Australia at least this year's flu season is very mild due to all the measures and new habits in place for covid.

There's the option of a different flu jab this year — but it'll cost you $40

For the first time since the 1930s, the way the flu vaccine is being manufactured for Australians has changed. But how exactly does this new technology work?

www.abc.net.au

 

[burmans]

Early delivery is fine. But they better plan for wastage if there are a lack of takers. Just look at NT or the miserable 20% take-up for those >70. I suggest .au investigate how Singapore got a record beating jab acceptance of late.

Contracts have lots of parts, including a delivery schedule, delivery conditions, Q&A conditions. Early delivery, or mutually agreeable variations will be written in. If you look at the ABC's jab progress charter, you will see countries vaccination rates seem to flatten or peter out before 70% like Canada and Israel. I hear USA is swimming in unused vaccines. They are at only 55% odd, and that's not because of lack of incentives. And in some places, there is drive-thru Moderna shots, 3 minutes and you are done. Given by unpaid volunteers who had 1 hour of training.

Smart thinkers should have a Plan B, should acceptance stall at 67%. I would love to know what the focus groups think about the saturation TV ads, that I do not believe are effective, nor is multicultural impact.

I've said it before but will again, supply is shortly to be yesterdays problems, plenty of countries vaccination rates are tapering off quickly so we'll be able to get more vaccine soon.

But we will still have the problems of
1) Logistics, i.e. ramping up getting it distributed and into peoples arms
2) Vaccine hesitancy

Too much of our governments looking is backwards (look at what a great job we have done) rather than forwards (what do we have to do now to get this finished and the country open). We need our leaders to be proactive rather than reactive.

 

[Spongbob]

I wonder how much we all paid to have them brought forward… and what country was knocked back in return…

The PM said he will not tell us as it is "commercial-in-confidence".