Who is going to the USA, who has changed their travel and what will you do differently?

[SYD]

Given the audience here it’s probably only a matter of time until it happens to one of us if this story is genuine.

I’ll make a point of reporting back after my next TWO visits.

One to HNL - weirdly it was cheaper to fly PE to HNL and book an AirBnB for 10 days, than fly whY to NAN and stay in a Denarau Hotel for a week…

The second trip is CX J SYD-HKG-SFO//JFK-HKG-SYD. Because it was still cheaper than the Bula route plus internal flights….

 

[jrfsp]

British man's tattoo wrongly linked to Venezuelan gang in US government document - BBC News

A tattoo belonging to a man from Derbyshire has appeared in a US government document used to identify members of Tren de Aragua, a notorious Venezuelan gang, despite the man having no connection to the group.

www.bbc.com

Incredible

 

[p--and--t]

There was an article tonight that a CN airline has refused to take delivery of it's latest 787 and suspended future orders because the situation is so uncertain and potential pricing unviable.

I wonder what capacity Airbus has to increase production?

 

[elanshin]

There was an article tonight that a CN airline has refused to take delivery of it's latest 787 and suspended future orders because the situation is so uncertain and potential pricing unviable.

I wonder what capacity Airbus has to increase production?

Airbus doesn't have capacity to increase production but back in February the CEO was quoted saying if the tariff situation escaltes they may pause US airline deliveries and bump other airlines up.

 

[p--and--t]

Airbus doesn't have capacity to increase production but back in February the CEO was quoted saying if the tariff situation escaltes they may pause US airline deliveries and bump other airlines up.

The airline industry has tight margins on a normal day; there will be a bit of lost sleep by future fleet planning departments while uncertainty continues.

I note from some reports regular scheduled flights over the US Canada border have already been trimmed back by 3-5% due to lack of demand and more cutbacks likely in coming weeks.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

I have Nexus so will preclear in Canada.

In theory it shouldn't be an issue as the CBP as no authority to detain people at pre-clearance facilities. But again, I'd encourage you to have consular numbers in your phone. Also realize the Canadian Consulate has a WhatsApp number for emergencies. Theoretically, you could also ask for consular assistance from Australia but chances are you'll get better service from Canada.

and there will still be some people who won't believe it because "they don't have CBPs side of the story"

I suppose that argument could be used elsewhere. For instance, people say all these nasty things about Third Reich, but did anyone bother to ask Goebbels for this perspective on the matter? He may have seen stuff that we didn't see! For all we know, that whole event could be a complete misunderstanding.

Joking aside, I have no doubt some of the deportations were justified. But I think it is irresponsible to write off deportations of individuals who seemed to have done nothing or very little wrong. To reiterate my point earlier, one should not be deported for failing to come to a complete stop at a stop sign in any country.

Him and wife were separated and interrogated for close to an hour on last entry to the US. No thanks, there are plenty of places that welcome tourists!

What I will point out is that this experience cannot be uniquely tied to one administration. Indeed, I remember driving to Buffalo to go shopping in 2014 and being detained for over an hour at the land border (including having my car impounded and searched). After an interrogation I was free to go. But for the next few trips to the United States I was treated the same way. It wasn't until I got Nexus that this nonsense went away. Whether there some snafu in their computer system or a bug crawled up the cough of a CBP agent, I'll never know. This might I add occurred under the Obama administration, hardly an administration known to be entirely against human rights.

Where I think the US administration changes things is the probability this capriciousness occurs will increase greatly from being less than 1% to several percentage points. So now when you are travelling you have to consider the remote possibility that you get hassled by the CBP, something which ordinarily you would not need to worry yourself about.

-RooFlyer88

 

[p--and--t]

As from May 7th this year all passengers flying domestically in US will have to supply "REAL-ID".

"Should" be simple and straight forward for most foreigners who have a passport to present.

There are allegedly around 90m US residents that don't have REAL-ID compliant ID.

How it is checked and by whom and associated procedures I haven't bothered to look up as I'm not travelling there.

My initial thought was how long will be required to allow for this process during the teething phase, potential queues, delays etc

 

[Himeno]

As from May 7th this year all passengers flying domestically in US will have to supply "REAL-ID".

They've been trying to do this for 20 years. It keeps getting delayed.

 

[p--and--t]

They've been trying to do this for 20 years. It keeps getting delayed.

Yep delayed and delayed. But now only less than a month away and no further delays announced (yet).

 

[Quickstatus]

you have to consider the remote possibility that you get hassled by the CBP, something which ordinarily you would not need to worry yourself about.

That remote possibility has always been there. Secondary inspections are not new. Every country's border inspections have secondaries and it is naive to think that a foreigner will never be secondarily inspected based on previous experience

 

[Quickstatus]

As from May 7th this year all passengers flying domestically in US will have to supply "REAL-ID".

The enabling legislation was passed by Congress in 2005 (not a typo).

A DL with a star qualifies...

They should also Real-ID those emotional support animals..

To get Real ID:
Proof of name and DOB
SSN
2 proofs of principal residende
Lawful resident status

Not dissimilar to the document identity checks in Australia

 

[Forg]

They should also Real-ID those emotional support animals..

Border Security Person: “No, sorry ma’m, a furry in a full racoon costume does not count as an emotional support animal, even if you have him on a leash”

 

[Quickstatus]

My initial thought was how long will be required to allow for this process during the teething phase, potential queues, delays etc

Why would there be delays. If no DL with a star you can't get past the security check points.

 

[p--and--t]

Why would there be delays. If no DL with a star you can't get past the security check points.

Given the number of people in that country that have a propensity to profess their right not to follow rules, I predict issues when it finally gets implemented

 

[jase05]

Given the number of people in that country that have a propensity to profess their right not to follow rules, I predict issues when it finally gets implemented

I saw a document that said something like 50% of Americans already have the correct ID and TSA stats show that 81% of travellers have the correct ID already.

 

[p--and--t]

I saw a document that said something like 50% of Americans already have the correct ID and TSA stats show that 81% of travellers have the correct ID already.

So after 20yrs of knowing it's coming, near 20% of travellers need to update in less than 4 weeks and the other 80% have to remember to bring for the first time.

Potentially a portion of those 20% are "They can't make me do that".

Edit: Actually, I just saw an article that a group is currently lobbying the white house on those and other grounds to stop it happening

 

[elanshin]

That remote possibility has always been there. Secondary inspections are not new. Every country's border inspections have secondaries and it is naive to think that a foreigner will never be secondarily inspected based on previous experience

I don't think anyone is arguing whether the possibility of being denied is real or not. The question everyone is wondering is if these reports are the result of new directives and as a result we're getting more bogus secondary inspections and even detentions or if this is just business as usual and it's now getting news cycle

It is however a fact that there has been a whole bunch of roundups and deportation of "illegal" immigrants from the US some of whom were lawfully protected and never meant to be deported by the current administration. They're shrugging their shoulders going "woops well they're in el savaldor now so what are you going to do about it".

There is circumstantial evidence that indicate a potential mandate to "crackdown" harder but whether it's real or not is what everyone is unsure about.

And lets face it with the way tariffs are going it is also completely possible that you are midflight to the US and the rules change on you.

 

[burmans]

Where I think the US administration changes things is the probability this capriciousness occurs will increase greatly from being less than 1% to several percentage points. So now when you are travelling you have to consider the remote possibility that you get hassled by the CBP, something which ordinarily you would not need to worry yourself about.

-RooFlyer88

This comment for me nails it. There is no doubt that immigration is one of those professions with a strong potential for power abuse but this largely doesn’t happen (not sure why, maybe the possibility of being called on it on social media or the press?). What has changed is an environment where this is now regarded as acceptable, even (from some) desirable. Of course the incidence will increase in such an environment, people have always been more inclined to do things if they believe they will get away with it!

 

[Quickstatus]

The question everyone is wondering is if these reports are the result of new directives and as a result we're getting more bogus secondary inspections and even detentions or if this is just business as usual and it's now getting news cycle

and what's the evidence that bogus secondaries have happened or will happen

What has changed is an environment where this is now regarded as acceptable, even (from some) desirabl

Im not sure what this is based on. I do think what has been happening is a lot of hyperbole is being injected into this.

 

[p--and--t]

and what's the evidence that bogus secondaries have happened or will happen

Im not sure what this is based on. I do think what has been happening is a lot of hyperbole is being injected into this.

...as you have repeated many times