Genuine QF Enhancements

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I feel it necessary to start a new post to make clear my support for some genuine improvements that have been announced by QF.

We are quick to criticise around here (and rightly so at times), but we also need to make clear to QF that we appreciate when they get things right.

I'm not going to touch WP1 - that's adequately covered elsewhere.

1/ Improvements to SG checked baggage allowance.

This is excellent. It is a practical benefit that many will take advantage of. And if you don't need it - good for you. I for one will definitely take advantage of this when I drop to SG (hopefully not anytime soon ;)).


2/ PS and QP welcome back to the Domestic Priority Check-in Line

This was a major complaint when it was dropped and made PS almost worthless. It is fantastic to see QF take feedback on board, recognise they made a mistake, and fix it. Well done QF.

As they say, it takes a bigger man to admit a mistake - and it's great to see it fixed.

It's super-important not to under-estimate the future value of Silver and Qantas Club members. Many of these are the Platinums of the future. And even if they never make WP, they have the potential to add significant revenue to QF over their flying lifetimes.

It's easy to ignore the lower tiers, but to do so is a fatal mistake.

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In my previous life in ski area management, I was fond of explaining to people that Childrens' Ski School was one of, if not the most valuable department on the entire mountain (although most would disagree at first).
Those of you who ski/snowboard with kids will understand.

Picture........

Little Johnny gets taken to the snow at age 3. His parents place him in ski school for the day (maybe the week), at around $100 per day this is not a cheap investment. Now (*assuming the staff do a good job*) Little Johnny has the absolute time of his life, and spends the entire next year bugging his parents to "go back to the snow". Guess where next year's vacation is to? And the next year, and the next year, and the next (you get the idea).

Then Little Johnny isn't so little anymore, and pops out his own kids. Guess where he takes them when they turn 3 years old?

Do the sums in your head....... 2 or more generations worth of lift tickets, ski school, race club, food and beverage, accommodation, equipment rental and purchases, goggles, gloves, beanies, sunnies, more goggles, more gloves, hell..... buy the condo!

Literally $100,000s ++++++++++++.

All because one 16 year old pimply kid named Jodie or Matt did an awesome job of taking care of Little Johnny, in an under-resourced, forgotten department of the company.

This is how I view Qantas Club and Silver members...... You can apply the analogy to any industry, and to Qantas.

Never forget that your most loyal, most valuable customers all start somewhere. (And the ones that don't, aren't necessarily that loyal).

So well done Qantas for fixing a mistake :)
 
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2/ PS and QP welcome back to the Domestic Priority Check-in Line

This was a major complaint when it was dropped and made PS almost worthless. It is fantastic to see QF take feedback on board, recognise they made a mistake, and fix it. Well done QF.

Glad to see this benefit back.

Whilst I am happy to use NGCI when travelling with hand-luggage only, it's nice to have the option to use the Premium Service Desk when I've got bags to check (and not having to print out and affix my own tags).

Makes up in part for not providing the Q Bag Tag for Qantas Club members.
 
Good thread. It is easy to knock QF for the usual "enhancements" so these improvements are welcome. It is good to see that feedback is being acted upon. :)
 
QP welcome back to the Domestic Priority Check-in Line
This was a total dumpster-fire of a decision and I am very glad they've decided to reverse it. I hope the person who originally came up with this idea received a massive demotion.

I recommended QP memberships to a few people shortly before they removed priority check-in due to NGCI implementation. You can imagine how impressed they were when I informed them they had to fork out extra to get a Q bag tag too. :oops:

So I agree with the sentiment of this thread, glad to see some positive changes (even though they don't affect me).
 
Totally different area but I totally love the fact Qantas has introduced Coke Zero in all cabins about a year ago. Took them a while but at least they came through with it- many restaurants and other airlines still don't have it. Next in line on my list of pet hates is not having any energy drinks on board- dump the stupid granny style tea or burnt coffee and give me a Red Bull or V instead. Maybe that's just me :cool:
 
I like the way that QF are VERY reactive through their social media @qantasairways

QF have recently caused problems (AC changes screwing up seating) and via Twit, the problem hasn't been totally fixed, but the responses amazing, and an outcome I am not unhappy with.

Well done @qantasairways
 
Agree entirely with the sentiment of this thread. When I have good travel experiences, I document them in a letter of thanks to QF. I feel this is just as important as reporting the 'bad' ones. Whilst not many of the recent enhancements are going to blow me away, that's probably a symptom of the standard of program that QF does offer to its WP members that I have become accustomed to. In fairness, as the incumbent in this market, QF will always be the underdog next to a new entrant because Australian's love to criticise the big guy. I used to see it a lot when I was working for Telstra and Optus were starting out. The assumption is that the new entrant is disadvantaged by the success of the incumbent - I can't help but think some people want QF to fail so they can say "I told you so."
 
2/ PS and QP welcome back to the Domestic Priority Check-in Line

I only have one issue with this....

Now that NGCI is pretty much here in major ports, the queues for the 'Premium Desk' could be insane, especially for QP members who don't have Q-Bag Tags and do not want to self-tag their bags.

I'm all for QP/PS/SG having access to the Premium Check-in (I too was left scratching my head when QF removed it as a benefit) but I'm hoping it's not going to over-crown the premium check-in and cause staffing headaches.
 
Agree entirely with the sentiment of this thread. When I have good travel experiences, I document them in a letter of thanks to QF. I feel this is just as important as reporting the 'bad' ones. Whilst not many of the recent enhancements are going to blow me away, that's probably a symptom of the standard of program that QF does offer to its WP members that I have become accustomed to. In fairness, as the incumbent in this market, QF will always be the underdog next to a new entrant because Australian's love to criticise the big guy. I used to see it a lot when I was working for Telstra and Optus were starting out. The assumption is that the new entrant is disadvantaged by the success of the incumbent - I can't help but think some people want QF to fail so they can say "I told you so."

I have made this observation as well - everyone gushed about all the new things that VA/DJ were doing for the FFers but frankly the VA/DJ was cough. Elements of it now are better than QF but some of those are only short term benefits and an incentive to match rather than permanently swap - the hotel being a good example. Yes it got me to status match and I have tried the VA/DJ product a little but that wont be an incentive for me to switch in the long term.

Now onto genuine QF enhancements - I agree that the QFF WP benefits are good but I am not so sure that they stack up against other carriers - I guess AA is the best example of this with free domestic upgrades on ALL flights and the SWUs. If you couple that with the cost of awards - QFF is an EXPENSIVE program. I find it easier to get an maintain status on QFF (although I think if ran my flights through AA I would have actually retained EXP over the past couple of years but had cough DOM seat selection) and that is something I enjoy.

This does come back to the "whataboutme" comments - through the last round or two of QFF changes there hasn't been much given to WP - except for the recent upgrade change - personally 48 hours, 24 hours or 18 hours makes no difference to me - upgrade at time of booking would move my J flights from CX/BA to QF. The luggage changes a while back may given an absolute limit increase but took away flexibility so at best was benefit neutral. QFF may think they have a competitive proposition for WP but they are not improving at the WP level. I am not concerned about erosion of benefits due to WP1 - I almost find that scare mongering and not based in facts. From the lunch I got the feeling that QFF want to maintain their WPs and value them BUT I think the issue is that the WPs are only seeing the lack of true enhancements at the WP level when "less valuable" flyers are getting enhancements. QFF are creating an environment where WPs will look to change.
 
I only have one issue with this....

Now that NGCI is pretty much here in major ports, the queues for the 'Premium Desk' could be insane, especially for QP members who don't have Q-Bag Tags and do not want to self-tag their bags.

I'm all for QP/PS/SG having access to the Premium Check-in (I too was left scratching my head when QF removed it as a benefit) but I'm hoping it's not going to over-crown the premium check-in and cause staffing headaches.

Seeing as "NGCI has in no way reduced staffing levels" - then it will be no problem to have a second Priority Lane if necessary (Like there used to be).
 
I have made this observation as well - everyone gushed about all the new things that VA/DJ were doing for the FFers but frankly the VA/DJ was cough. Elements of it now are better than QF but some of those are only short term benefits and an incentive to match rather than permanently swap - the hotel being a good example. Yes it got me to status match and I have tried the VA/DJ product a little but that wont be an incentive for me to switch in the long term.

Now onto genuine QF enhancements - I agree that the QFF WP benefits are good but I am not so sure that they stack up against other carriers - I guess AA is the best example of this with free domestic upgrades on ALL flights and the SWUs. If you couple that with the cost of awards - QFF is an EXPENSIVE program. I find it easier to get an maintain status on QFF (although I think if ran my flights through AA I would have actually retained EXP over the past couple of years but had cough DOM seat selection) and that is something I enjoy.

This does come back to the "whataboutme" comments - through the last round or two of QFF changes there hasn't been much given to WP - except for the recent upgrade change - personally 48 hours, 24 hours or 18 hours makes no difference to me - upgrade at time of booking would move my J flights from CX/BA to QF. The luggage changes a while back may given an absolute limit increase but took away flexibility so at best was benefit neutral. QFF may think they have a competitive proposition for WP but they are not improving at the WP level. I am not concerned about erosion of benefits due to WP1 - I almost find that scare mongering and not based in facts. From the lunch I got the feeling that QFF want to maintain their WPs and value them BUT I think the issue is that the WPs are only seeing the lack of true enhancements at the WP level when "less valuable" flyers are getting enhancements. QFF are creating an environment where WPs will look to change.

Agree with you Simon.

My only observation is that there are two ways WPs can go about advancing our cause for a better deal:

1/ Whine that "they got more than me", which IMHO is not terribly constructive, and I found at the lunch was unlikely to actually gain us anything tangible.

2/ Highlight to QF that the lack of improvement to WP naturally raise the legitimate question of "Am I getting twice the benefits of SG, given I have to earn twice the SCs?"

By highlighting the 'marginal benefit' questions, IMO it is more constructive and an angle that it far more likely to be met positively by QF.
At least that's how I walked away from the lunch feeling.

The first approach is simply "I want more". The second approach recognises the program is also a business, but for the WP level to be successful for QF, it has to present an attractiveness for FFs to strive for more than SG. You have certainly worked hard to highlight that issue.

In fairness - QF are now making noises that perhaps the 'marketing' around WP enhancements has failed, and that some tweaking is necessary.

Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic - but this week has seen QF make moves in the right direction and I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt (for the time being).

Meanwhile - I wish VA the best in getting their product and FF improvements up to standard as quickly and successfully as possible. The more competition, the better for everyone.
 
Next in line on my list of pet hates is not having any energy drinks on board- dump the stupid granny style tea or burnt coffee and give me a Red Bull or V instead. Maybe that's just me :cool:

I on the other hand feel sick just *smelling* someone drinking an energy drink - they're vile, and as the smell makes me sick, I'm pretty glad they don't serve them on board
:)
Also in the category of things that shouldn't be served on board - tuna paninis for the whole of economy - whose genius idea was that? They stink.
 
I have made this observation as well - everyone gushed about all the new things that VA/DJ were doing for the FFers but frankly the VA/DJ was cough. Elements of it now are better than QF but some of those are only short term benefits and an incentive to match rather than permanently swap - the hotel being a good example. Yes it got me to status match and I have tried the VA/DJ product a little but that wont be an incentive for me to switch in the long term.

Now onto genuine QF enhancements - I agree that the QFF WP benefits are good but I am not so sure that they stack up against other carriers - I guess AA is the best example of this with free domestic upgrades on ALL flights and the SWUs. If you couple that with the cost of awards - QFF is an EXPENSIVE program. I find it easier to get an maintain status on QFF (although I think if ran my flights through AA I would have actually retained EXP over the past couple of years but had cough DOM seat selection) and that is something I enjoy.

This does come back to the "whataboutme" comments - through the last round or two of QFF changes there hasn't been much given to WP - except for the recent upgrade change - personally 48 hours, 24 hours or 18 hours makes no difference to me - upgrade at time of booking would move my J flights from CX/BA to QF. The luggage changes a while back may given an absolute limit increase but took away flexibility so at best was benefit neutral. QFF may think they have a competitive proposition for WP but they are not improving at the WP level. I am not concerned about erosion of benefits due to WP1 - I almost find that scare mongering and not based in facts. From the lunch I got the feeling that QFF want to maintain their WPs and value them BUT I think the issue is that the WPs are only seeing the lack of true enhancements at the WP level when "less valuable" flyers are getting enhancements. QFF are creating an environment where WPs will look to change.

Spot on simongr. I think what I am feeling is a case of the "is it really worth its?" when it comes to thinking about whether I will push to retain WP longer term, or settle for SG. I was happy as an SG and QF still looked after me when things went wrong. My seat selection wasn't as good - but for the most part you can do pretty well if you know how the releases work prior to flight time. Does the First Class and Business Class lounge access really justify a double-SC requirement? Firstly, I don't travel O/S nearly often enough to use the First Lounge regularly - plus to take advantage of it I have to fly via Sydney or Melbourne. So the benefit actually becomes an inconvenience, especially since the only service I used to fly via Sydney for was SFO and that has now been scrapped. Secondly, the domestic business lounges are so full, for the most part they are not much better than the QP. I stress these are my observations based on what I value. I like the idea of these benefits, but longer term, I don't know if they will be enough to keep me pushing past the SG level. QF have eroded the benefits of WP by enhancing the lower tier offerings. Putting WP1 into the equation, I think, has squeezed us some more.
 
Agree with you Simon.

You could have stopped there ;)

The first approach is simply "I want more". The second approach recognises the program is also a business, but for the WP level to be successful for QF, it has to present an attractiveness for FFs to strive for more than SG. You have certainly worked hard to highlight that issue.

In fairness - QF are now making noises that perhaps the 'marketing' around WP enhancements has failed, and that some tweaking is necessary.

Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic - but this week has seen QF make moves in the right direction and I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt (for the time being).

Meanwhile - I wish VA the best in getting their product and FF improvements up to standard as quickly and successfully as possible. The more competition, the better for everyone.

I agree that they are making promises in the right direction more this week than in a while. I just want to keep the noise up to highlight that there is still opportunity to improve the WP offering if not moving us to the WP1 levels ;)
 
Yeah the qp and ps welcome back at the J line is a big one... I was a little surprised when I saw that at CBR yesterday morning.

I also think the QP's have improved at breakfast (pancake machine) and lunch times (can't say about dinner because it's been a while since my last dinner flight where I've QPd it).

But the thing I really liked was this mornings set of flights CBR-MEL-PER with avod on both the 737 and 332...

Lets hope QF continue with these enhancements...
 
The one thing I found interesting is the fact that domestic upgrades can no longer be confirmed on availability, as of 2012 they will go to a 'request' system also.

Edit: just reading it again.. it seems it will still exist, this is additional; ergo if you cannot confirm straight away.. it will then let you waitlist for an upgrade?
 
The one thing I found interesting is the fact that domestic upgrades can no longer be confirmed on availability, as of 2012 they will go to a 'request' system also.

That's incorrect.

The current confirmed system remains (ie. If U class is available when you request your upgrade - it is confirmed immediately).

They are simply adding a registration (lottery) if you want an upgrade, and one is not available at the time of request.
 
That's incorrect.

The current confirmed system remains (ie. If U class is available when you request your upgrade - it is confirmed immediately).

They are simply adding a registration (lottery) if you want an upgrade, and one is not available at the time of request.

Yeh, I know. Was editing my post as you replied :shock:
 
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