Thinking of using the Nick Xenophlon argument and not including names... Census 2016: Nick Xenophon to withhold name over privacy concerns - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)Woops.
Just did the census tonight -- day early...
Went through fine (and completed in about 4min)
Much easier when you are living by yourself, haven't moved in 5yrs and haven't been employed in the last week..
Why the census asks for our small pty ltd business name baffles me. They didnt get it. It has no relevance whatsoever for their stated purpose.
Why the census asks for our small pty ltd business name baffles me. They didnt get it. It has no relevance whatsoever for their stated purpose.
It probably has a purpose, depending on how that data is used (or sold off). Any data people can get might be of use somewhere. Connecting it to names just makes it a lot easier to cross-profile.
I did the census tonight...took about 5 minutes....full of typos etc but who cares I refused to disclose my total income!
I was surprised with the census being so general. I couldn't see the problem others had with putting names on the document. It took about 10 minutes and no issues.
The Marriott Marquis in New York has really good high speed internet.
Tonight we have tickets to Hamilton and the pricing has dropped from $2,000 a ticket a month ago.
We need to see Adele back in Los Angeles as she is at Staples Center.
I was surprised with the census being so general. I couldn't see the problem others had with putting names on the document. It took about 10 minutes and no issues.
The Marriott Marquis in New York has really good high speed internet.
Tonight we have tickets to Hamilton and the pricing has dropped from $2,000 a ticket a month ago.
We need to see Adele back in Los Angeles as she is at Staples Center.
Census day - as a family historian, I say hooray!
One of the most ludicrous things is the spectacle of those saying that they won't write their names and addresses in for 'privacy' reasons. I'm guessing most of those also do facebook and use Google . Senator Xenophon Greens Senator Ludlum and step forward. Why am I not surprised? Edit: I see Senator Hanson Young is another one. What more do you need to know about this group of twits?
Names and addresses have always been collected in the census - since the 1840s in Tasmania, similar in other colonies. The census forms have been digitally key-punched for decades; digitised name data has been separately retained for 18 months previously, I think 3 years this time. So, honestly, what's the big deal this time? Do people really think the gov'mint is out to get them?
Those who are worried about 'what the government is going to do with my information - or the system might be hacked' must find it really hard to function in today's society. The census, with all its data protections, should be the least of their worries.
Not only am I not concerned about anything the census asks, like ~60% of the population, I will be marking the box asking that my form be retained for 100 years, and then be available publically.
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Actually the connection to the name is going to be held for 4 years for the first time. Last time it was 18 months, and before that not held for long at all. We are being asked to enter the information electronically for the first time, providing the direct digital link.
To suggest this is anything like facebook is disingenuous at best. I sure as hell don't open my facebook to the world. I even lock down certain posts to select groups. I don't put up my income, the names and ages of my children, the streets they cross to get to school, the name of my business, the name of my employer, my full educational history, property ownership details, house address. Basically a whole heap of information that can be used to steal my identity in a hackable, open to the internet electronic system. Data that is also not required for demographic or statistical purposes.
Then there are the datamatching law enforcement possibilities, again NOT statistical purposes. But those law enforcement Act will certainly trump the ABS Act.
Seeing as this is not a problem, why don't you start by telling us your name, income, address, employer, DoB, mothers maiden name, first car you owned, first school you attended. I promise to destroy the information in 4 years.
When I vote my name is crossed off a list and that's it. With the census, they have my name, address, business name, income, parentage, number of children I have had - there is no comparison with voting. It isn't a tin hat paranoia, there simply is no justifiable reason to have all this information linked in order to serve the ABS charter.
The ATO and ASIC has all the regulatory data they need for our business. The ABS has moved out if its reason for being.
When I vote my name is crossed off a list and that's it. With the census, they have my name, address, business name, income, parentage, number of children I have had - there is no comparison with voting. It isn't a tin hat paranoia, there simply is no justifiable reason to have all this information linked in order to serve the ABS charter.
The ATO and ASIC has all the regulatory data they need for our business. The ABS has moved out if its reason for being.
I don't want the information destroyed! Like I said, ALL my data will be kept, and be publically available in 100 years!! Hang around, and all will be revealed.
(By the way, your name is noted when you vote too. Do you have a problem with that? Do you refuse to vote for that reason? The name crossing-off is not used in the voting process, but for law enforcement too).
If anyone does do facebook or uses Google but don't want to do the name thing in the census, apparently they believe an American corporation dedicated to (and whose profits rely on) sharing information and details as widely as possible, will keep their 'locked down' info private, uncollected, un-aggregated etc, as opposed to an organisation like the ABS. Good luck with that! A strange view of the real world.
And what's the actual difference between keeping the names, separately from the data, encrypted, for 4 years vs 18 months? I know government works slowly, but when they are out to get you, I assure you they can get you in 18 months quite easily.
One of the reasons for having names is so they can cross reference with death records. Important in determining life span - think of indigenous disadvantage for instance. Many other reasons. its NOT just for law enforcement, as wrongly claimed here.
And in response to public demand, I hereby publish my own family's census form:
So, as you can see, names have been included for a while
And, shock, horror! religion and whether free or not ...
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I can see no reason for including identifying data in a census. I have attached the reasons the ABS has given for the collection and extended retention of such data.
Point 3 under names: combining it with other national datasets is probably closer to the truth. Which datasets are they referring to?
As soon as the ABS used "richer" and "more valuable" as compelling reasons I had an immediate flashback to Qantas' use of "enhanced".
ABS assertion that their data has never been hacked as a reason to trust them is highly naive. Do they really think that the data is immune?.
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