10,000 bonus points per 20 transactions

[skeltonl]

Re: Contract?

Amex is not silly... something like this could cost them Millions of dollars in just 4 Months.....

LOL well I have to beg to differ about them not being silly - my 11 year old asked me what I was doing and I told him the situation and his response
"Gee their stupid of course people are gong to spend like crazy"

 

[beardoc]

Re: Terms and Conditions

sorry, i am not that clever, and english is my second language, but can you explain a bit more about " that any unused transaction credits are lost at the end of each month."?

i am not really following. what do you mean by transaction credits?

"Transaction credits" just means "transactions". They're saying that if you ran up 10 transaction in a month on the 5000 points for 5 transaction deal, you would get 10000 bonus points. But if you ran up 14 transactions in a calendar month, then you would still get only 10000 points, and the counter will reset to zero in the new calendar month - those four transactions will not "carry over" to the new month.

Does that make sense?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Re: Terms and Conditions

sorry, i am not that clever, and english is my second language, but can you explain a bit more about " that any unused transaction credits are lost at the end of each month."?

i am not really following. what do you mean by transaction credits?

Ok..say you are signed up fot the 5 transaction bonus.

If you have say 13 transactions (ie transaction credits) in a calendar month you will get two bonuses (ie 2 by 5), but you will lose the 3 (13-10).

On the 1st your transaction account will be set to back to zero.

 

[file51]

yes i do have that small booklet in front of me, however i still can't find anything mentioning you have to spend minimum 5 dollars or earn at least 5 points.

i also opened your link and went through the term and condition before 31th of july, and i am sorry if i am blind, but i fail to see such a statement. i searched term: "fair", "five/5", "points" and they return nothing indicating your statement.

Seriously, some people, need to firstly read, then think. No wonder many of the replies in this thread keep saying the same thing, almost to the point where invisible text must be in place.

My original comment was regarding the fair use of such a card, and making multiple small purchases to subvert normal buying pratices, i.e. 100 mushrooms per unit or packets of 75c match's.

In the General section of the revised T&C dated 1st September 2008

14.4 Fraud and abuse relating to the earning of points in the program or redemption of rewards, including transfer of points to participating frequent traveller programs, may result in forfeiture of points as well as cancellation of the program account.​

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That is pretty clear in my mind, and is very open as to how they interpret abuse, which IMO buying 100 mushrooms individually would be abuse relating to the earning of points.

 

[diesmile]

thanks for clearing that up, and that's what i thought anyway, but i got confused by transaction "credit", haha. to me, it doesn't really matter if i over shot by a few transactions. the offer is great already, no need to fine tune to how many transaction you have in that month

 

[deluxeflyer]

This was not an offer that was limited only to those that received the postcard.

Can we be clear that it was not a limited promotion but instead a general promotion?

Thank you beardoc for pointing out it is a general promotion.

I have been a lurker for many years and now have the need to post!

I tried to register by phone today at 3.10pm and was told the system is unable to access my details (Yeah, right) and to try again in 2 hours. I asked if the centre will be closed by then, and was assured they would still take calls. Well, no such luck.

What annoys me even more is that I have been a Gold Chargecard holder for 17 years, charge well into 6 figures annually, and I don't receive any postcard about this offer or any other offer for that matter. Some appreciation of my business, albeit small, would be nice.

I will try to register again tomorrow by phone and online, and will advise the outcome, if any.

BTW I love this site! Will try to post often and well.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Seriously, some people, need to firstly read, then think. No wonder many of the replies in this thread keep saying the same thing, almost to the point where invisible text must be in place.

My original comment was regarding the fair use of such a card, and making multiple small purchases to subvert normal buying pratices, i.e. 100 mushrooms per unit or packets of 75c match's.

In the General section of the revised T&C dated 1st September 2008

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That is pretty clear in my mind, and is very open as to how they interpret abuse, which IMO buying 100 mushrooms individually would be abuse relating to the earning of points.

I would think that anyone who spent yesterday going round and round the one checkout at one Coles store buying a minor item repeatedly...or who bought 1000 i-tunes seperatedly will find that AMEX will either just wipe all the points (plus any others that you may have earned) or they will pool it and call it "one transaction".

One thing they will not be doing is awarding one million bonus points per day!

Lawyers make a living off the word "reasonable"...and what is "reasonable". I doubt that any judge would deem it reasonable for anyone to have countless transactions from the one store on a given day.

 

[Alanslegal]

This thread is INSANE! The last time I read this was in the AM and returning 7 hours later, I see 7 new pages for me to read and review! How exciting?!?!

It took me a good 30 minutes to read through those pages and wonder.

There are lots of thoughts and opinions here but let me add my $0.02 (which I wish I could have somehow debited my AMEX and gain 1K bonus points for it).

1. Rodgerbranch - Why keep on referring to QF and them getting worried? The truth is - this will hurt - that not every single bonus point earnt through this promo would be directed towards QF's way. Quite a few of us here would be sending those bonus points to AA and other places. For me, SPG is the final destination of these points.

2. File51 - The truth is Woolworths DOES (except your 14 stores have currently/previously managed) accept AMEX regardless of the transactions amount. There are examples of this occurring from previous comments, and IF AND WHEN Woolworths decides to IMPOSE a minimum spend on AMEX, I would be avoiding Woolworths and shop elsewhere - as my family and I have legitamately purchased items under $5 on many occasions.

For Amex, I cannot see changing to a 40K limit would work in spirit of the this promo ie unlimited bonus points earn.

If they unilaterally did resort to this - I would protest by way of altering my spending habits using AMEX for the remains of 2008. Firstly, my first 40 purchases on AMEX would be the smallest amounts possible eg. morning coffee, the newspapers, chewing gum, parking meters. Then I would then REFRAIN / STOP from using AMEX from purchase 41 and so on until the end of 2008.

My other CC's can bear the fruit of any larger purchases for the remains of this year especially Christmas is coming up etc.

 

[lovestotravel]

So what? I find it amazing that you have been on this site for less than 3 days and are averaging over 20 posts a day with 55 posts in this thread alone.

Carefactor = 0

My comments were directed at Rogerbranch who doesn't seem to understand that this is not going to hurt Qantas and various other matters.

 

[SnowYeti]

2. File51 - The truth is Woolworths DOES (except your 14 stores have currently/previously managed) accept AMEX regardless of the transactions amount. There are examples of this occurring from previous comments, and IF AND WHEN Woolworths decides to IMPOSE a minimum spend on AMEX, I would be avoiding Woolworths and shop elsewhere - as my family and I have legitamately purchased items under $5 on many occasions.

For the last 3 years, I have used my VISA and AMEX and MASTERCARD at Woolies for transactions even under $1. I do this at Big W, Coles, Woolies etc. I don't care how much it is, I refuse to use coins/notes where possible as I hate carrying schrapnell. Today I had about 8 transactions, all under the $3 at big w and woolworths, so not sure what you are talking about File51.....

 

[SnowYeti]

I will also tell you that I changed a flight with Qantas, using points. They needed 60c more in tax. I said how do I pay that?? They took my AMEX number and it went through. Yes, 60c. LOL

 

[skeltonl]

For Amex, I cannot see changing to a 40K limit would work in spirit of the this promo ie unlimited bonus points earn.

If they unilaterally did resort to this - I would protest by way of altering my spending habits using AMEX for the remains of 2008. Firstly, my first 40 purchases on AMEX would be the smallest amounts possible eg. morning coffee, the newspapers, chewing gum, parking meters. Then I would then REFRAIN / STOP from using AMEX from purchase 41 and so on until the end of 2008.

My other CC's can bear the fruit of any larger purchases for the remains of this year especially Christmas is coming up etc.

Which is precisely what I will do as well - normally I prefer to use the AMEX so that all of my points are accumulated in the one program but I can easily change to another one.

I am not going to give AMEX the benefit of my spending after they have duped people in this way. For all of you who say so what does your spending matter to AMEX well maybe not - will the 10 people I know who use AMEX that I recommend do the same hurt AMEX not really I guess but then the people they tell about yeah that's going to start making a bit of a dent and so on.

If anything this situation has proved it is how quickly information spreads in a digital age.

 

[simongr]

Rodgerbranch - Why keep on referring to QF and them getting worried? The truth is - this will hurt - that not every single bonus point earnt through this promo would be directed towards QF's way. Quite a few of us here would be sending those bonus points to AA and other places. For me, SPG is the final destination of these points.

Explaining that a few times has been tried but it doesn't seem to sink in.

Qantas takes seriously their FF program... Money is not an issue... Qantas may get some Money for those FF seat ... for sure that money is not even near the full cost of a ticket... The FF program is for more than a way to sell unsold seats on a plain.... It make a loyalty group and create a way for other Business to atract customers by offering some sort of POINTS reward...

Think about all the other Banks, lenders, Car rentals that offer Points to atract Customers.... Qantas cant aford to loose all of them just to please Amex.. and Dont tell me AMEX is the Bigest player here COS... Amex is not silly... something like this could cost them Millions of dollars in just 4 Months..

Seriously - are you even reading the responses to you?

Point 1 - The promotion is not QF's it is Amex's. If Amex give away a huge amount of Membership Rewards points that are then converted to QFF points - then the cost sits with Amex. The impact will actually be on the QFFers as QF has a semi fixed number of award/reward seats that is independent of the number of points in the market place. Amex could give away a billion points and QF would actually earn a massive amount of revenue from that. Why do think that QF are thinking of floating it's FF program? Because it generates revenues from selling points to partners. Ergo the points that partners buy from it the bigger the profit for QF.


I don't know why you think QF might "loose" customers to please Amex - in fact QF are restricting the access of Amex customers to points transfers progressively.

I think this is in fact a very successful promotion for Amex - more transactions are flowing through the cards, people's mentality is changing through this - if people think I might as well use Amex as visa in Coles/Woolworths for this promotion they might/will get into the habit of it in the long term.

This promo has crystallised my use of the card and the push away from other cards unless required.

 

[lovestotravel]

Hello Yeti

Yep I love it when I am told to get facts and also told by a nobody that I am posting too and new people aren't welcome... Also they wonder why with a promotion like this why so many new people have joined this site....
Gold !!

Also being told to get my facts right by someone who "worked for Woolworths recently in a Management capacity" that their is a min spend to use my AMEX at Woolworths....

Once again pure GOLD!

 

[simongr]

I am not going to give AMEX the benefit of my spending after they have duped people in this way. For all of you who say so what does your spending matter to AMEX well maybe not - will the 10 people I know who use AMEX that I recommend do the same hurt AMEX not really I guess but then the people they tell about yeah that's going to start making a bit of a dent and so on.

In the long run who does that hurt? You or Amex? You wont earn any points neither will your friends. The only people to gain will be QFF members who now face lower competition for FF flights.

 

[lovestotravel]

Rogerbranch: Did you know that Qantas releases a set number of FF seats.

Having a few more people with a few more points floating around make no difference. They end up filling pretty much the same amount of FF seats anyways!

 

[xxxpenguin]

If I only had a point for each blogg that would be nice

 

[simongr]

Rogerbranch: Did you know that Qantas releases a set number of FF seats.

Having a few more people with a few more points floating around make no difference. They end up filling pretty much the same amount of FF seats anyways!

You do understand that if there are more people with massive points balances then more people are competing for that fixed number of seats which means fewer of the actual frequent fliers can get seats due to CC spenders?

 

[oz_mark]

Which is precisely what I will do as well - normally I prefer to use the AMEX so that all of my points are accumulated in the one program but I can easily change to another one.

The promotion is to get you to use your Amex.

I am not going to give AMEX the benefit of my spending after they have duped people in this way. For all of you who say so what does your spending matter to AMEX well maybe not - will the 10 people I know who use AMEX that I recommend do the same hurt AMEX not really I guess but then the people they tell about yeah that's going to start making a bit of a dent and so on.

At this point, I don't think that it is fair to say you have been duped. There is no official word from Amex that anything has changed.

 

[oz_mark]

You do understand that if there are more people with massive points balances then more people are competing for that fixed number of seats which means fewer of the actual frequent fliers can get seats due to CC spenders?

Fortunately, FFers of status have access to more award seats than non-status people with large point balances.