2019 Federal Election Discussion

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Agreed. One of the sad things about the hyperventilating over global warming is that it squeezes out attention and funding for a whole range of other environmental issues whether it be water pollution, litter, plastics, smog, endangered species, etc.
Oh yes, if only we had less preoccupation with CO2 and more focus on how to recycle the mountains of rubbish being stockpiled or sent to land fill (at massive expense) since shipping it to China stopped. That's where more research dollars need to be directed - cost effective biodegradable plastics for everything from packaging to car parts (or even completely new alternatives to plastics), remediation of soil and water through the use of microbes etc. (few ppl would know that there are already bugs which can eat and neutralise oil spills and many toxins etc)
 
Plenty of CO2 spent on this thread....

Would be very useful in the seat of Macquarie (includes FAmous blue mountain towns like Katoomba)

looks like there’s 40 votes in it?
 
Perhaps we could start to cut down making any more of it. (Queue the ‘virtual signalling’ comments). Many ways of dealing with it, then there are the NIMBYs.

Oh yes, if only we had less preoccupation with CO2 and more focus on how to recycle the mountains of rubbish being stockpiled or sent to land fill (at massive expense) since shipping it to China stopped. That's where more research dollars need to be directed - cost effective biodegradable plastics for everything from packaging to car parts (or even completely new alternatives to plastics), remediation of soil and water through the use of microbes etc. (few ppl would know that there are already bugs which can eat and neutralise oil spills and many toxins etc)
 
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Macquarie has swung back to ALP, who lead by 21 votes. Can't get much closer than that after over 98,000 votes cast.
 
Food for thought:

I would submit to you that Australia 2019 was a polling failure not because the polls did not conform to the real vote, but because the real vote did not conform to the polls...
...the opinion poll is a tool to influence public opinion, not to measure it”


The Polls are Rigged - XYZ
 
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the opinion poll is a tool to influence public opinion, not to measure it”

…aye there's the rub..

How about Shorten packing his house ready to move to the lodge ….. :oops::oops: and also scheduling his first cabinet meeting…:oops::oops::oops::oops:
ask him about polls…..:eek::eek:
 
the opinion poll is a tool to influence public opinion, not to measure it”

…aye there's the rub..

How about Shorten packing his house ready to move to the lodge ….. :oops::oops: and also scheduling his first cabinet meeting…:oops::oops::oops::oops:
ask him about polls…..:eek::eek:
...Don’t count the chickens before they hatch...
 
...Don’t count the chickens before they hatch...

I'm sure both leaders had victory/concession speeches ready to go - you would be stupid not to - but I seriously doubt Shorten had booked the removalists.

This is still the best summary of what the bloody hell happened :- What the Bloody Hell Just Happened in Australia’s Election?

But I have a conspiracy theory for you .....

Question - why would Sportsbet pay out early on the Federal Election?
Answer - the only logical reason was to influence voting intentions.
 
But I have a conspiracy theory for you .....

Question - why would Sportsbet pay out early on the Federal Election?
Answer - the only logical reason was to influence voting intentions.

Possibly, but that would be to the benefit of Labor - like the polls which said Labor ahead all 50 of them- Turnbull used it to depose Abbott and the media ran with it.

However enough of the quiet voters took the contrarian view.

I would not worry about Clive and UAP (or even the Russians), the media and pollsters are a much more powerful influence on the voting as well.

Or it was a marketing ploy - what better way to spend $5million marketing money. Sportsbet have an early payout feature for its betting. So it was just clever advertising for its product. I also suspect they did not lose much overall.
 
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I'm sure both leaders had victory/concession speeches ready to go - you would be stupid not to - but I seriously doubt Shorten had booked the removalists.

This is still the best summary of what the bloody hell happened :- What the Bloody Hell Just Happened in Australia’s Election?

But I have a conspiracy theory for you .....

Question - why would Sportsbet pay out early on the Federal Election?
Answer - the only logical reason was to influence voting intentions.
Thanks for the link Moody.It was a great laugh.
Just one fact-it says Murdoch controls 70% of the print media.Not true.He controls just over 30% but gets over 70% of the readership.Totally different.
Then Morrison faced near to 100% of the free to air TV stations running against him.So people are more likely to read a newspaper than watch TV?I doubt it.
 
Possibly, but that would be to the benefit of Labor - like the polls which said Labor ahead all 50 of them- Turnbull used it to depose Abbott and the media ran with it.

However enough of the quiet voters took the contrarian view.

I would not worry about Clive and UAP (or even the Russians), the media and pollsters are a much more powerful influence on the voting as well.

Or it was a marketing ploy - what better way to spend $5million marketing money. Sportsbet have an early payout feature for its betting. So it was just clever advertising for its product. I also suspect they did not lose much overall.

From memory, they paid $1.3 million for the Labor win (short odds)
$4 million for the actual winner
 
Possibly, but that would be to the benefit of Labor .....

I would have thought that the reaction would be to vote AGAINST Labor, as Australians don't like to hand any party too much power. Given the message that it was a laid-down-misere for Labor, most swinging voters would be inclined to take some gloss off the inevitable victory.
 
Thanks for the link Moody.It was a great laugh.
Just one fact-it says Murdoch controls 70% of the print media.Not true.He controls just over 30% but gets over 70% of the readership.Totally different.
Then Morrison faced near to 100% of the free to air TV stations running against him.So people are more likely to read a newspaper than watch TV?I doubt it.

So 70% of the print media audience then. Totally the same.

And I must admit to being overseas for most of the campaign, but I find the claim that all the TV broadcasters ran a biased commentary against Morrison quite surprising. Do you have any examples?
 
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When 1/3 goes to taxes (income tax and GST) and 1/3 (or more) to rent or home loans. Plus another 10% to rates and taxes (or strata fees), utilities and superannuation and 5% more to food and 12-15% to children. Seriously stretched.

People don’t want to pay more tax when they think it’s wasted already On big uncapped demand schemes.

They voted for job security (mining). Lab had said they’d close all the coal fired power station. It’s in their manifesto.

And they voted for income security. Franking credits.
more specifically because of the reassurance and peace of mind income security brings to particularly senior Australians.

As Alan Kohler remarked, people won’t vote for the nations surplus over their own household surplus. And we all know that timeless sentiment that when you spend all of what you earn or more you are putting yourself into a painful future.

for all of us who follow along, super taxes are blooming with the $1.6 million transfer balance cap, reducing the refunds of some franking credits in the process. Why Labor's franking credits revenue loss claim is a myth

People do want corporations to pay more instead of hiding in the Cayman Is behind the chicanery of tax deduction.Had it been a clear taking from the corporations the result may have well be different and that said,

Corporate tax has been boosted by 40% within 2 years
https://www.ato.gov.au/uploadedFile...nual_Report_2017-18/annual report 2017-18.PDF Page 74

The stats for 2018-19....and I must admit this surprised me
In one year alone

Individual Income tax expected up by $21 billion (backpackers tax? Unicorns capital gains taxes paid?)

Corporate income tax up by $11 billion (carry forward losses, tax avoidance measures)

GST up by $5 billion (low cost imports?)

Other indirect taxes up by $9 billion. (???). Which may include HECs repayments ? I’d need delve into that

Customs duty of $16 billion is on the DOF doc but not on the ATO annual report

Bank levy $1 billion

That’s $46 billion more of taxes Wow ..... Which isn’t even balancing the books after all that.... and it’s about 11% boost in tax revenues in ONE YEAR ALONE...
Perhaps after all the above, it proves what impacts a sharp rise in taxes will do to the economy. And it doesn’t even extract any more taxes from the new Point Piper unicorns who paid $190 million for the former Fairfax mansions on the back of flogging off founders shares in the New York stock exchange for anything from $25 a share to $100. So there’s a windfall profit right there lightly taxed. Millionaires don’t earn income. Muses Bill Gates says tax policies like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s are ‘missing the picture’. Says the left don’t know

This election has been a victory for prudent income collection and spending. It rejects the high taxing, big spending idea of being “taking from the defenceless aspirational to give to the poor”. You can’t save the poor by making other people poor to do so. But it might just prune all that offshore holiday spending that’s not supporting our economy.

Oh yea And they voted for self-interest, and that includes everyone.
 
No Moody not the same.It shows that a lot of people prefer to read the Murdoch press than the competitors.As they have chosen that hardly likely to be changing their votes.
I know you consider your Abc and fauxfax to be unbiased but to many others they are of the left.
The Panel and the 7 and 9 news reporters are again seen by many as leaning left.
Watch Walid interview Scomo before the election.He was in total attack mode.
 
CaptjCool that was a very good summary of tax collections. I would love to think everyone of our staff have a surplus after all living costs but some smoke and some live too high. We had one run up a huge credit card figure and we know some are doing buy now and pay later with AfterPay style of finance. I wish financial budgeting was a school subject.
I don’t rate Walid nor Barrie Cassidy but David Speers and Antony Green are very good. Richardson does have political smarts as he comes from the “ anything it takes “ school.
 
No Moody not the same.It shows that a lot of people prefer to read the Murdoch press than the competitors.As they have chosen that hardly likely to be changing their votes.
I know you consider your Abc and fauxfax to be unbiased but to many others they are of the left.
The Panel and the 7 and 9 news reporters are again seen by many as leaning left.
Watch Walid interview Scomo before the election.He was in total attack mode.

The Waleed interview in March after the Christchurch massacre? He was calm and considered, whereas Morrison was evasive and continuously interrupted Aly. ScoMo was in attack mode, and then showed his true colours when asked about preferencing One Nation last. Great way to win an election, eh?
 
One thing, observing the election from afar, is that seems this election was one on fear of what the ALP was going to do. If you look at recent history (since 1987 when seats in the house were lifted from ~120 to ~150), there are three elections that resulted in outcomes which were very close to status quo (in terms of overall make up of parliament before and after election). The fightback election of '93 (ALP +4, LNP -2, OTH -1, 1 seat eliminated), the Tampa election of '01 (ALP -2, LNP +2, OTH +2 , with 2 new seats) and this election (ALP -2, LNP +1, OTH +1, undecided with 1 new seat).

All of these heavily featured fear - of the GST (93), illegal immigration (01) and taxes/carbon (19) - I'm no political analyst, but interesting to observe in all three cases very little movement in make up of parliament. Whether it means anything not sure.
 
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