2019 Federal Election Discussion

[Quickstatus]

While the winner takes Government, governance needs to reflect the 51:49 split in the electorate. This Government will be successful if it stays firmly in the centre of politics.

 

[Quickstatus]

Sinodinos US ambassador and Fifield UN ambassador.

This means some casual senate vacancies (NSW,VIC) will arise. Possibly Jim Molan will get his wish to be reinstated to the Senate

What is Sinodinos’ golf handicap?

 

[love_the_life]

While the winner takes Government, governance needs to reflect the 51:49 split in the electorate. This Government will be successful if it stays firmly in the centre of politics.

But some people believe that the Libs are not a middle or centrist party but are on the right.

 

[Quickstatus]

But some people believe that the Libs are not a middle or centrist party but are on the right.

Only the radical socialists would say that

 

[dajop]

But some people believe that the Libs are not a middle or centrist party but are on the right.

Depends on which standard you employ. By Australian standards, centre right, by Scandinavian standards definitely right wing, by US standards centre left (goodness they support universal health care, introduced tighter gun control, don’t completely deny climate change, introduced SSM and support middle class welfare via the tax system. Actually they sound more like the progressive democrats when listing things like this out )

 

[drron]

But some people believe that the Libs are not a middle or centrist party but are on the right.

But some other people say the ALP has moved further left.
Which all proves the left/right names basically mean diddly squat.

 

[Hvr]

But some people believe that the Libs are not a middle or centrist party but are on the right.

They'd be correct. It has been argued that the Labor party has moved to the right to fill the gap left by the Liberal party's move to the right.

Like all parties there are extremes with far right wingers in the Liberal party and their preference parties such as One Nation and Palmer's UAP are extreme right.

The Labor party often gets preferences from the Greens who are considered left of the Labor party.

The term 'socialist' is used as a pejorative term to describe anything where poor people get government funded benefits whereas when government funding is provided to rich people it is 'business as normal'.

 

[JessicaTam]

Is numbering outside the box informal?

The AEC say as long as the numbering is sequential, then no problem. This is an example they give at: https://www.aec.gov.au/Elections/candidates/files/ballot-paper-formality-guidelines.pdf
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The overarching principle is whether the voter's intention is clear. If so it is formal.

When there were doubtful votes they would be brought to me (as polling booth OIC) and I would make a determination. I would then sign the back of the vote so it could be tracked back to me if there was a later dispute.

 

[Quickstatus]

What’s the pay for polling booth workers?

 

[cove]

The Ken Henry tax Review now is in the dustbin and he was dumped from his role of Chairman of NAB. He really messed up at the Banking Royal Commission.
Turnbull had a chance to reform the Tax Act but was a do nothing PM. He succeeded in that role so I was glad to see him get dumped.

 

[I love to travel]

What’s the pay for polling booth workers?

A frien got paid $1000 for officer in charge. About 15 hours work

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Unsure if this has been mentioned as I haven't read all the thread...

I'd be interested to know the informal vote percentage of AFF members compared to the ~5% nationally. I was a true blue egalitarian and gave everyone my first preference.

 

[RooFlyer]

It has been argued that the Labor party has moved to the right to fill the gap left by the Liberal party's move to the right.

Good grief. Who argues that? Labor lost the election because it cuddled too far left & the Greens, class warfare etc.

Like all parties there are extremes with far right wingers in the Liberal party and their preference parties such as One Nation and Palmer's UAP are extreme right.

The Labor party often gets preferences from the Greens who are considered left of the Labor party.

So funny. ON and Palmer are 'extreme right' while Greens are 'to the left' of Labor. I guess if you call The Australian a 'far right' newspaper, the left/right relativities get a bit skewed.


Look: Liberals to the right, Nationals further right; Labor to the left, Greens further left. I don't care about the others.

Libs went further right under Abbott, went left under Turnbull, somewhere in between under Morrison. Labor went further left under Gillard, towards the right under Rudd, should have stayed right under Shorten but went left in the last election and are going to stay well left under Albanese, the first left die-hard to become Labor leader in decades.

Unrelated to the above, I find it delicious that after all the fuss made by Labor about the Liberal's 'women problem', the new ministry has more women than any before it and no woman put their hand up for a Labor leadership position and its a done deal with two men - all organised by the factions.

 

[Quickstatus]

Unsure if this has been mentioned as I haven't read all the thread...

I'd be interested to know the informal vote percentage of AFF members compared to the ~5% nationally. I was a true blue egalitarian and gave everyone my first preference.

There would be no way if verifying that

 

[GoldCanyon340]

There would be no way if verifying that

Oh I know it's a number unable to be derived so I shall remain forever curious..

 

[Quickstatus]

Good grief. Who argues that? Labor lost the election because it cuddled too far left & the Greens, class warfare etc.



So funny. ON and Palmer are 'extreme right' while Greens are 'to the left' of Labor. I guess if you call The Australian a 'far right' newspaper, the left/right relativities get a bit skewed.


Look: Liberals to the right, Nationals further right; Labor to the left, Greens further left. I don't care about the others.

Libs went further right under Abbott, went left under Turnbull, somewhere in between under Morrison. Labor went further left under Gillard, towards the right under Rudd, should have stayed right under Shorten but went left in the last election and are going to stay well left under Albanese, the first left die-hard to become Labor leader in decades.

Unrelated to the above, I find it delicious that after all the fuss made by Labor about the Liberal's 'women problem', the new ministry has more women than any before it and no woman put their hand up for a Labor leadership position and its a done deal with two men - all organised by the factions.

Even more delicious are the outcomes for the 2 Julias

 

[JessicaTam]

What’s the pay for polling booth workers?

A frien got paid $1000 for officer in charge. About 15 hours work

It has been quite a few years since I did it, and it was about $5-600 then. There is quite a bit of training beforehand so the hourly rate is based on that as well as work on the day (and night before setting up the booth). Maybe 25 hours all up. So based on I love to travel's friend about $40 per hour.

 

[love_the_life]

It has been quite a few years since I did it, and it was about $5-600 then. There is quite a bit of training beforehand so the hourly rate is based on that as well as work on the day (and night before setting up the booth). Maybe 25 hours all up. So based on I love to travel's friend about $40 per hour.

A polling clerk level 2 (the base one) is paid about $450 for the day's work - this is the total amount payable regardless of how long the day goes. You get there at 7am and after 6pm you start the count. I was down to do it again this year but pulled out as we thought we might have to be away. Last time I didn't get home till after 12.30 am as there was a problem reconciling the number of ballot paper records. Other friends I know are home by about 9.30 pm. So over a 12 hour day at any calculation. For the run of the mill polling official there is a bit of reading but no actual training. Apparently some officials in the ACT were giving incorrect information to voters for the senate.

 

[coriander]

So Melissa Price "asked for a new challenge" and is now moved away from Environment - mustn't have been challenging enough for her.

 

[coriander]

Well, it hasn't taken long .....

Shorten's Nightmare

The Labor Party bunker on the night of the 2019 Australian election

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"Downfall" parody.