2025 F1 Thread

[MARTINE]

Yeeeees

Well done Oscar… and what a poor sport Max is…

 

[cjd600]

A 5 second penalty for Max isn’t that much when he can have clean air right up to the pit stop, and dirty air for Oscar.
Lawson got a 10sec penalty though I didn’t see the footage of his issue.
Go Oscar, and thanks Sky for showing him cross the line

 

[TheRealTMA]

Yeeeees

Well done Oscar… and what a poor sport Max is…

For Max (and others), it's not about sports<person>ship, but about winning at all costs.

 

[MARTINE]

For Max (and others), it's not about sports<person>ship, but about winning at all costs.

You can do both and still be a champion

 

[serfty]

The race was won at the start, before the first turn.

PIA would have likely taken off into the distance had VER given that place back - I guess Red bull were gambling no penalty would ensue.

 

[elanshin]

I agree it was won with the start and likely Oscar didn't challenge Max at all because they knew he had the penalty so there was no reason to risk overtaking.

Still got to give it to Max to put in that sort of pace during Q3 and overall despite his RB car.

 

[DejaBrew]

Lawson got a 10sec penalty though I didn’t see the footage of his issue.

I haven't seen footage either, but apparently it resulted from his overtake on Doohan late in the race.

According to the Stewards' notes...

The Stewards reviewed positioning/marshalling system data, video, timing, telemetry, team radio and in-car video evidence and determined that Car 30 (Lawson) attempted to overtake Car 7 (Doohan) and in doing so left the track.

While he completed the overtake before turn 1, the speed that he carried into the turn meant that he could not navigate turn 1 without leaving the track. He therefore could not successfully overtake Car 7 without leaving the track and thereby gained a lasting advantage which he did not give back.

The standard penalty of 10 seconds was therefore applied.

 

[DejaBrew]

Still got to give it to Max to put in that sort of pace during Q3 and overall despite his RB car.

Agreed, but also makes me wonder whether PIA was playing the long game knowing that NOR was no longer challenging for pole and that he would likely have the measure of VER over a race distance? Having watched PIA put together a title-winning campaign in both F3 and F2, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was a calculation of risk vs reward.

Speaking of PIA's calculated moves, how about that overtake on HAM??? Almost as audacious as the one he pulled on HAM during the final lap in Melbourne.

 

[elanshin]

Agreed, but also makes me wonder whether PIA was playing the long game knowing that NOR was no longer challenging for pole and that he would likely have the measure of VER over a race distance? Having watched PIA put together a title-winning campaign in both F3 and F2, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was a calculation of risk vs reward.

I don't think that would be part of the game plan during Q3. P1, P2 I have to imagine right now has to be the goal for PIA + NOR and letting the 2 McLarens having a clean run at the circuit.

Speaking of PIA's calculated moves, how about that overtake on HAM??? Almost as audacious as the one he pulled on HAM during the final lap in Melbourne.

Yeh PIA has some nice moves and hes shown that over the last couple of years. Still watch his move on LEC at Azerbaijan last year at times when YT recommends me the shorts.

 

[DejaBrew]

I don't think that would be part of the game plan during Q3. P1, P2 I have to imagine right now has to be the goal for PIA + NOR and letting the 2 McLarens having a clean run at the circuit.

I'm sure that's the aim, but PIA did mention post-quali that he'd been chasing lap time all weekend, so whilst there may have been more on offer for him in Q3 if he'd pushed harder, I suspect securing a front row start - and taking the small victory of being so much higher up the grid compared to NOR - was a good outcome as far as he was concerned. And with a short run to the first corner, plus the inside line for T1, I'm betting he liked his chances of snatching the lead from the race start.

 

[TheRealTMA]

I haven't seen footage either, but apparently it resulted from his overtake on Doohan late in the race.

According to the Stewards' notes...

Max should have got the mandatory 10 s as well. He never had any intention of making the corner and has form for such behaviour.

 

[elanshin]

Max should have got the mandatory 10 s as well. He never had any intention of making the corner and has form for such behaviour.

It's much harder to prove in Max's case as it is I would say legitimately hard to determine for Max that he wasn't a touch ahead at the turn and thus it would fall on Oscar making the wrong move.

All tiny margins here.

 

[serfty]

Having watched PIA put together a title-winning campaign in both F3 and F2, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this was a calculation of risk vs reward.

He's generally well constrained, but sometimes not. If you can find it, check out his very next F2 race after the one where he'd won the F2 2021. (Hair well and truly let down.)

 

[DejaBrew]

It's much harder to prove in Max's case as it is I would say legitimately hard to determine for Max that he wasn't a touch ahead at the turn and thus it would fall on Oscar making the wrong move.

All tiny margins here.

I think Oscar had well and truly claimed the corner, but the other thing at play is that it's the first corner and the start of the race. More chance of chaos and greater latitude and leniency on offer from the Stewards. That being said, why RBR didn't just cede the position and fight it out from there is beyond me? Max certainly had pace and it was the first lap of the race, so plenty to play for from there.

He's generally well constrained, but sometimes not. If you can find it, check out his very next F2 race after the one where he'd won the F2 2021. (Hair well and truly let down.)

I recall watching it at the time - drove like the Champion he was.

 

[elanshin]

I think Oscar had well and truly claimed the corner, but the other thing at play is that it's the first corner and the start of the race. More chance of chaos and greater latitude and leniency on offer from the Stewards. That being said, why RBR didn't just cede the position and fight it out from there is beyond me? Max certainly had pace and it was the first lap of the race, so plenty to play for from there.

Clean air vs dirty air.

They knew if they gave the McLaren clean air it was going to run away with it (assuming Oscar made no mistakes).

 

[DejaBrew]

Clean air vs dirty air.

They knew if they gave the McLaren clean air it was going to run away with it (assuming Oscar made no mistakes).

Yeah I can see that perspective too, but at the same time, they risked putting Max into even more traffic (and dirty air) by copping - and serving - the penalty. Maybe it was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't?