A tale of two children (in J)

[Pushka]

‘Candy’, in the context used at least, not being a word in Australian English.
Like ‘jail’ used not to be; and look at the horror-show that happened there when we let our guards down!

I’m even more confused. I often use jail/gaol.

 

[kermatu]

I’m even more confused. I often use jail/gaol.

Glad I'm not the only one confused.

 

[kermatu]

‘Candy’, in the context used at least, not being a word in Australian English.

Really? Aussies don't know what candy is? Please.

 

[Forg]

Aussies know what ‘candy’ is due to American TV.
‘Jail’ was only accepted as correct spelling in Australian English about 25 hears ago. Mostly due to lots of incorrect spelling by Australians, due to American literature.

 

[Pushka]

What does candy have to do with this and why is it offensive?

 

[Forg]

Candy isn’t offensive! (well those awful hard-sugar ones are - but that’s beside the point).
What’s offensive is the use of the word, to refer to chocolates or lollies or other forms of confectionary.

It doesn’t seem to be in any way related to the thread-topic, though!

 

[kermatu]

Candy isn’t offensive! (well those awful hard-sugar ones are - but that’s beside the point).
What’s offensive is the use of the word, to refer to chocolates or lollies or other forms of confectionary.

It doesn’t seem to be in any way related to the thread-topic, though!

Agree. Especially as none of us arguing actually even used the word.
However, the person who said 'candy' actually said: "The crew were constantly giving them 'treats' of candy and chocolate." So clearly not claiming all types of confectionery as candy. And even if so, how is this offensive on an Aussie site?

 

[GoldCanyon340]

When half the newspapers in this country use spellings such as 'neighbor', 'color' and 'favorite' then you know you've lost the fight.

In that regard, maybe this thread should be renamed 'A tale of two kids (in J)' ?

 

[Pushka]

When half the newspapers in this country use spellings such as 'neighbor', 'color' and 'favorite' then you know you've lost the fight.

In that regard, maybe this thread should be renamed 'A tale of two adults behaving like kids (in J)' ?

Fixed that.

I blame auto correct. It constantly flicks me to US. I have no idea why the candy issue bobbed up.

 

[mrsterryn]

I confuse Americans by using the term boiled lollies
Keeping on topic I am actually going to be mindful of young children on my next flight

 

[Forg]

In that regard, maybe this thread should be renamed 'A tale of two kids (in J)' ?

Nay!

 

[Danielb56]

I can't imagine I'd be restrained either. This behaviour is just arrogant and rude.

Actually I don't think it's rude since the writer said that he was polite and was not obnoxious. I don't see it as privilege. However, the better way to handle it would have been to wait and see ho the child behaved rather than anticipate bad behaviour. I have found some adults ruder than children think they are entitled because they belong to a certain class or even race. I don't tolerate that....

 

[Forg]

While I only have maybe a couple of dozen flight's worth of experience, I don't recall there ever being a rowdiness or noise problem with children, apart from babies (and the way MY ears felt as the BAe146 descended at what felt like a 45-degree angle I can totally understand how a baby's going to feel as unexpectedly someone's suddenly trying to explode their head). OK, I've never flown JQ to Bali ("JARRYD! KWEEN! BROCKIE!! SIT DOWN IN YOUR SEATS AND STOP RUNNING UP & DOWN THE AISLES THROWING JELLY AT EACH OTHER!! SO HELP ME, IF I HAVE TO PUT DOWN MY BUNDY & COKE!!!); but surely you'd have to be a particularly grinchy kind of person to expect bad behaviour rather than expecting good behaviour?

 

[blackcat20]

Not everyone here is Australian, perhaps some people here are actually from the US and use the word candy (shock horror)

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Actually I don't think it's rude since the writer said that he was polite and was not obnoxious. I don't see it as privilege. However, the better way to handle it would have been to wait and see ho the child behaved rather than anticipate bad behaviour. I have found some adults ruder than children think they are entitled because they belong to a certain class or even race. I don't tolerate that....

I agree with most of what you say and I would safely assume most of us have seen badly behaved adults who are worse than children. But if the passenger says that about the kids politely then that reeks of passive aggressive.

 

[Rod Yates]

Maybe he needs to invest in a good pair of noise cancelling headphones?????
I have traveled many times when children were close by; can't say they have ever prevented me from sleeping, then again, I can sleep standing up if required

 

[kleop]

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...

No this is not one of those periodic threads debating whether infants / children should be allowed in the J cabin (I think angel children should be allowed, monster babies sent to the cargo hold or, better, fly DHL*)

But i was flying SQ SIN - HKG in J the other day on the early ~730am flight. In 12ACD with my two daughters - 5.5 years and 2.5 years. Connectin from Perth after bringing them to watch the Wiggles Live (the SQ 772 was also a jet plane, so they couldn't "do the propeller"^, but it was hard to explain to my children that one goes to great lengths to avoid the 737 and propeller planes if they can really help it)


Before take-off whilst boarding a man in 11A comes up to me and says would you make sure your daughters are quiet for the flight because I need to sleep. Stunned, as this this is the first time encountering this sort of request in the dozens of flights with my daughters, I compose myself, smile and tell him "hopefully". Threads from AFF / FT about narky passengers and infants in J start racing through my head. I could be the subject of a thread here! Story ended without further drama, because he managed to get the FA to move him to row 17 or somewhere back in the mini cabin and I never saw him again.

I find out later from the meal cart passenger manifest that said person in 11A was a "Dr xx_" - PhD or MBBS / MD I don't know I guess maybe Mr Dr needs to sleep to perform a crucial operation later that day, or maybe he was partying too late at Zouk** the night before and was hungover, or simply scarred from his last flight with the nightmare toddler from hell. I certainly hope he was not a pediatrician - he would be better suited as a radiologist or a colo-rectal surgeon with that sort of children skills.

He wasn't overly rude so I wasn't particularly offended - and he wasn't nasty or giving me evil death star(e)s. Still I thought it was pretty brazen for someone to be so open and upfront, especially when nothing had even happened yet. I certainly wouldn't have dared to be s vocal, I guess better be open and upfront than stewing like a beef bourguignon in your seat. Or maybe he likes George Bush Jnr and subscribes to his doctrine of "preemptive strikes"***.

Still 11A (bassinet row) is a particularly weird seat choice if one wanted to be as far away from infants as possible.

I told my wife and she told her mummy friends and they found this encounter incredulous and said I was too polite - they would have had some harsher words. Maybe I was too kind then, or maybe I subscribe to Bush Snr's vision of a "kinder" and "gentler" society**** (may he RIP).

What would you do?

*My daughters equivocally belong to the angel category - IFE keeps them well entertained. the only time being when my eldest was 3 and i brought her to the MH J toilet on the 737 to discipline her for being naughty - and she decided to vomit on me (maybe as payback for making her fly the MH recliner seats?)
** Zouk (club) - Wikipedia
*** Bush Doctrine - Wikipedia
**** Opinion | George H.W. Bush’s Uncommon Grace

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I think the passenger request was very reasonable, i would have done the same..regardless of wether one is a Doctor or not is irrelevant!!!

 

[Rebekkap]

Then you have been extremely lucky and somewhat selfish, ermen. I pay business class at my own expense, usually once a year, and the last thing I pay for my ten or fifteen grand is a noisy child nearby. You think it is fair; may I tell you, ermen, that I also have children, and I was considerate to my fellow man, when they were young, so the furthest they travelled by air until they were hushable - and importantly - until I paid for their seats was BNE-ROK. It is achievable, ermen, you just have to be fair to all and reasonable. The person across the aisle may be getting a freebie on his company, but just as likely he'll be me, a person who has paid several thousand dollars out of his long-earned retirement money to go on the trip of a lifetime in the hope of a quiet and comfortable flight.

You may be the extremely unusual person who is considerate, but going on the reaction here,

a) they're all young and have or are thinking of taking young children (as in extremely young), or

b) they're not paying for it, or

c) they just don't care about others, especially their elders.

I also pay for my own business class flights, and couldn't care less whether there are children in the premium cabin or not. I've been disturbed on a number of occasions by drunk middle aged men, but never by a kid. Thinking because you've paid for your flights particular other types of people should be excluded from the cabin you're in is a ridiculously entitled attitude.

 

[Pushka]

While I only have maybe a couple of dozen flight's worth of experience, I don't recall there ever being a rowdiness or noise problem with children, apart from babies (and the way MY ears felt as the BAe146 descended at what felt like a 45-degree angle I can totally understand how a baby's going to feel as unexpectedly someone's suddenly trying to explode their head). OK, I've never flown JQ to Bali ("JARRYD! KWEEN! BROCKIE!! SIT DOWN IN YOUR SEATS AND STOP RUNNING UP & DOWN THE AISLES THROWING JELLY AT EACH OTHER!! SO HELP ME, IF I HAVE TO PUT DOWN MY BUNDY & COKE!!!); but surely you'd have to be a particularly grinchy kind of person to expect bad behaviour rather than expecting good behaviour?

Actually, I have been on a Bali flight and stumped for J. It isn't the kids that are the issue at all, but its the queue of adult passengers from the rows in Y who line up, yes, they form a queue, waiting to use the toilets up front. Oh, wait, wrong thread.

 

[garrulous]

How old were the girls? Given that kids will be kids and the passenger had probably had a previous bad experience, what’s the issue? All those respondents who express ‘outrage’ probably fly with kids.(and are desensitised to the issue). There’s nothing worse than noisy and often uncontrolled kids flying, particularly when you have paid a hefty premium trying to avoid the experience in the cheaper class.