A320 German-wings accident in Southern France

[Jacques Vert]

Today I happened to stumble across a recording of the "Air Crash Investigation" episode on MH370, and decided to watch it.

Yes, full of speculation and BS. However, towards the end, they advanced a possible theory that the Cpt had locked the FO out of the coughpit and deliberately crashed the plane; including a scene of the FO knocking on the door of the coughpit and asking the Cpt "are you all right" and "open the door", etc.; followed by an "expert" stating that there was no way someone could open the door from the outside and if the bad guy was inside then....

Was quite chilling watching this after what happened to the German Wings flight. And I couldn't help wondering if Andreas may have seen this episode and took in some of the possible MO's.

JV

 

[Mattg]

German media is reporting a temporary unexplained reduction in altitude on the outbound Germanwings flight from DUS-BCN (the flight directly before the accident flight). They suspect the co-pilot was "practicing".

Germanwings co-pilot practised his crash on another flight

 

[jsoprano]

German media is reporting a temporary unexplained reduction in altitude on the outbound Germanwings flight from DUS-BCN (the flight directly before the accident flight). They suspect the co-pilot was "practicing".

Germanwings co-pilot practised his crash on another flight

I just read the same thing in the Sueddeutsche Zeitung Online 5 minutes ago. Scary really, especially for those who've been on that flight from DUS to BCN in the morning. If true, wouldn't the Captain have noted and reported it?

 

[basso]

I just read the same thing in the Sueddeutsche Zeitung Online 5 minutes ago. Scary really, especially for those who've been on that flight from DUS to BCN in the morning. If true, wouldn't the Captain have noted and reported it?

The Captain wasn't in the coughpit at the time.

 

[QF WP]

I saw a chart on TV where they had the logged (for the previous flight to BCN) the time, the altimeter and the set position - as well as when the Captain was out of the cabin. The angle of descent was modest such that the Captain must not have noticed the change.

Perhaps he was practicing...and the pax must now feel they dodged death

 

[QF WP]

Found the chart in a Wall Street Journal article:



http://www.wsj.com/article_email/ge...tors-say-1430908536-lMyQjAxMTA1MDA2NzcwNTc0Wj

There should be no doubt that his action on the doomed flight were premeditated

 

[whatmeworry]

Calls for pilot medical confidentiality to be relaxed.

French investigators have called for medical confidentiality to be relaxed for pilots, in the wake of last year's Germanwings disaster.

Germanwings crash: Pilot confidentiality 'should be relaxed' - BBC News

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Calls for pilot medical confidentiality to be relaxed.



Germanwings crash: Pilot confidentiality 'should be relaxed' - BBC News

I think that's the right call. Self-reporting doesn't - in some cases - work as it was designed to.

 

[russ]

But won't the pilot simply hide the issue from their doctor?

 

[jamesD]

But won't the pilot simply hide the issue from their doctor?

Yes, but its the mind altering drugs more often than not that are the cause of suicides & shooting sprees. That's why anti-depressants, anti-psychotics etc have a black box label warning on them listing side effects such as suicide tendencies, violence & hostility etc & why big pharma is always having class actions brought against them.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But won't the pilot simply hide the issue from their doctor?

Of course they might. Very few systems are fail-safe. But I'm not sure that means we abandon the system outright.

 

[CaptJCool]

Fail-safe can fail - in Titanic proportions

small risks aggregated together compound

who's to predict the next fame jockey who sees their role in death to become famous and etch their name on the minds of all of us left behind. Just look at all the press he got !!

Of course it's depressed thinking but Bet the name of the pilot who was locked out isn't well known but everyone knows Andreas....

 

[UP4014]

Fail-safe can fail - in Titanic proportions

small risks aggregated together compound

The swiss cheese model.

 

[Quickstatus]

The germanwings story develops further

Initial conclusions (of pilot suicide - conclusion drawn 2 days after accident) questioned by father of co pilot and explored by Aviation Herald
Crash: Germanwings A320 near Barcelonnette on Mar 24th 2015, first officer alone in coughpit, initiated rapid descent, aircraft impacted terrain

 

[fairbasa]

Interesting read.

I still believe the initial findings are most likely correct - but no doubt the way they arrived at those findings was sloppy and not exhaustive. It seems they just sought to prove their hypothesis based on the CVR.

I remember thinking at the time "how can they announce he did this after just two days?". Normally there's an information vacuum for months after a crash.

 

[Quickstatus]

Interesting read.

I still believe the initial findings are most likely correct - but no doubt the way they arrived at those findings was sloppy and not exhaustive. It seems they just sought to prove their hypothesis based on the CVR.

I remember thinking at the time "how can they announce he did this after just two days?". Normally there's an information vacuum for months after a crash.

Normally a rush to a pronouncement has the hallmarks of political interference

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Normally a rush to a pronouncement has the hallmarks of political interference

But what motivation for political interference in this specific case?

 

[jb747]

Normally a rush to a pronouncement has the hallmarks of political interference

I don't know...sometimes the obvious is actually the issue.

 

[whatmeworry]

Is the father in denial? Or is their other issues why the father doesn't want the decision to be suicide?

 

[Quickstatus]

No idea - but generally speaking......
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Yes the obvious is usually right.

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Is the father in denial? Or is their other issues why the father doesn't want the decision to be suicide?

. Unlikely we will ever find out. But can see its better to have an incapacitated son in the history books than a son condemned by his actions