Absolutely Disgusted with Qantas

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Will, how exactly has this poster "not been nice"? Does the act of making a complaint mean someone had behaved in a way that is "not nice"?

No, it doesn't.
Calling your thread 'Absolutely disgusted with Qantas', for something that wasn't their fault, and could have been avoided with travel insurance, does. I know the OP doesn't necessarily know all the details, and that's fine. If you aren't an expert (and most of us aren't) then a little more humility is needed - ie don't write as if you were 100% sure you were 100% in the right.
 
No, it doesn't.
Calling your thread 'Absolutely disgusted with Qantas', for something that wasn't their fault, and could have been avoided with travel insurance, does. I know the OP doesn't necessarily know all the details, and that's fine. If you aren't an expert (and most of us aren't) then a little more humility is needed - ie don't write as if you were 100% sure you were 100% in the right.

I totally agree with everyone here that the lesson of the story is to allow considerable time for connections when two bookings and airlines are concerned. As Mal says, the QF website recommends 135 minutes.

That said, I am sure we all have had instances in which things have gone wrong, for whatever reason and for varying levels of blame (airline vs passenger).

My point is that it is the how the situation is handled by the airline that makes both the experience and resolution either positive or negative - actions can be taken within the rules that still leave the passenger feeling looked after.

My reading is that the poster's main issue is the fact that the airline staff were unhelpful and rude in her perception. That's not something that travel insurance can fix! Poor customer service is totally the responsibility of the airline. There may have been any number of options for airline staff to explore to make the poster feel she was being looked after. Helping to arrange for an alternative flight would be more prudent than telling someone to go home!

I too have felt utterly disgusted by my treatment by Qantas on a number of occasions. Luckily, I can also cite many instances where good customer service has overcome a poor situation (sometimes my fault and sometimes the airline's fault).

Rude and unhelpful behaviour is not justified because a customer has made an error!

Equally well, exceptional service retains and wins business! It is not surprising to me that the poster is impressed with UA based on her experiences and is utterly disgusted with QF!

A final thought - what happens when passengers do indeed choose flights with a >135 min lay over on separate tickets and then delays cause them to miss the second flight? What would a reasonable expectation be in such a circumstance?
 
... A final thought - what happens when passengers do indeed choose flights with a >135 min lay over on separate tickets and then delays cause them to miss the second flight? What would a reasonable expectation be in such a circumstance?
If on separate tickets, there is no protection from the airlines per se.

Most travel insurance policies will cover this situation.
 
No, it doesn't.
Calling your thread 'Absolutely disgusted with Qantas', for something that wasn't their fault, and could have been avoided with travel insurance, does.
I want to go a bit further than Platy about the travel insurance point. Travel Insurance doesn't avoid anything. Would the first flight have been on time if the OP had insurance? No. Insurance is only there to pay when things go wrong, it does not prevent things from going wrong.

It is not clear to me that the OP didn't have travel insurance. Sure some people have raised the matter, but unless I've missed something the OP hasn't confirmed or denied having insurance. In any case, being secure in the knowledge that you can claim for the expenses of a delay, later, is hardly going to avoid the negatives at the time of an experience like that described in the OP.

Of course, I was slightly surprised by the short time allowed for the transfer, but the complaint seems to be mostly related to the implied rudeness of the staff. And who hasn't experienced that from QF staff? (Usually the reaction I get when lobbing at the QP check in counter.) ;)
 
I believe the OP was on JQ409 OOL-SYD. (11AM-12:20PM). Flight was delayed by 25 mins meaning a 12:45PM arrival in SYD.

Thanks, Mal, I like the rationale and analysis.

However, I am seeing JQ409 as 1150-1210 giving the OP an extra 10 minutes in SYD. On the timetable that's 1 hr 45 transfer time if we have the flights correct (or 1 hr 20 minutes after a 25 minute delay). Obviously that's still 30 minutes short of the recommended 2 hr 15 mins, but suggests that the OP was a little unlucky to miss check in by the ten minutes suggested.

Ironically, the timetable changed over today with that OOL-SYD flight moving to midday departure and 1320 SYD arrival, thus henceforth impossible to consider as a connecting flight for either the SFO or LAX QF departures!

OOL folk have no choice from today, but to get the earlier 0820-0940 and thus the luxury (or torment) of a 4 hr plus transfer time! ;)
 
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If on separate tickets, there is no protection from the airlines per se.

Most travel insurance policies will cover this situation.

Thanks, Serfty, I guess that's what I would have expected. On my recent adventures I allowed at least one "day" between connections entailing different tickets (and/or airlines) and took the (luxury) of a couple of stopovers fearing a problem could create considerable inconvenience!
 
Come December, I assume that life will become much easier for those living in Australia's 6th largest city, who want to go to LA (or vice versa for that matter).

The Virgin Blue Group of Airlines seems to be able to communicate and offer "hassle free" connections between their different brands, so presumably V Australia will fit nicely into the team. (Points, Status, Lounges, Service, Upgrades?)

"Hassle Free" from the Gold Coast to LA... start booking Virgin!

Excellent points, Comint! And good luck to V bringing some much needed competition.

In fact the transfer time for the new Virgin service from OOL-(SYD)-LAX is 2 hrs 10 minutes, which will compare very favourably with the 4 hr plus on JQ/QF ;)
 
Rude and unhelpful behaviour is not justified because a customer has made an error!

There are always 2 sides to a story and as neither you nor I were there to witness the entire exchange between the OP and the QF staffer, I don't think we can adequately conclude that the latter was being "rude and unhelpful." I also do not definitively know whether missanalytical was being calm, rational and polite in her request for assistance or otherwise - I can only draw inferences based on her posts here...

Like some others I also find the bit about the UA staffer randomly approaching the OP a bit iffy (unless the flight was extremely empty woudln't they have been busy balancing up the loads or out at the gate at T-25 mins trying to get the flight out in time?!), but in the unlikely event that it happened - good on UA.
 
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If on separate tickets, there is no protection from the airlines per se.

Most travel insurance policies will cover this situation.

Although, it really does depend on the reason for the delay. 1cover.com.au, for one, does not provide any cover if the delay was due to a mechanical fault of the aircraft.

*A still-bitter Happy Dude trots off into the ether on his well-ridden hobby horse*
 
My issue is if QF went 'above and beyond' to allow the OP to check-in 35minutes prior to departure - assuming she could Q in line and pass immigration quickly - and the OP got on board but her checked luggage did not make it? then would we expect another rant and rave?

Sometimes there are compelling reasons Y airlines refuse to check you in past the minimum cut off time - especially when boarding has already commenced.

If QF 'went above and beyond' to check her in and then lost her bag, they would be liable BUT if she was denied check-in, the fault is purely on the OP's hand.
 
Thanks, Mal, I like the rationale and analysis.

However, I am seeing JQ409 as 1150-1210 giving the OP an extra 10 minutes in SYD. On the timetable that's 1 hr 45 transfer time if we have the flights correct (or 1 hr 20 minutes after a 25 minute delay). Obviously that's still 30 minutes short of the recommended 2 hr 15 mins, but suggests that the OP was a little unlucky to miss check in by the ten minutes suggested.

I had to go back a bit and use an older timetable as things have changed a bit since the actual event date. I believe the times changed after the missed connection, and again today.

Even with my calcs, there are a couple of things that don't add up - but that's the best guestimate/reconstruction I can make of what might have happened.
 
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There are always 2 sides to a story and as neither you nor I were there to witness the entire exchange between the OP and the QF staffer, I don't think we can adequately conclude that the latter was being "rude and unhelpful." I also do not definitively know whether missanalytical was being calm, rational and polite in her request for assistance or otherwise - I can only draw inferences based on her posts here...

Like some others I also find the bit about the UA staffer randomly approaching the OP a bit iffy (unless the flight was extremely empty woudln't they have been busy balancing up the loads or out at the gate at T-25 mins trying to get the flight out in time?!), but in the unlikely event that it happened - good on UA.

I hear what you are saying. And I respect from your numerous posts of your own extensive travels that you have an informed opinion and some very valuable experiences to share.

But this is only because I take your posts on trust. ;)

For all I know you are an impoverished university student with a unrealised yearning for travel writing trip reports inspired by a creative literary competency who never sets foot outside of a university campus. Maybe you are even a paid up airline employee taking us all for a ride and trying to shift debate in the airline's favour - I assume that there are some such moles in the system. :cool:

Whilst not meaning to imply any dispect for you, my point is that we must surely take each others posts on trust?! :-|

I totally agree that there is much we don't know. But why are people writing the OP off as an "emotionally unstable" person without any real evidence. Others are using previous posts to portray the OP as a serial complainer when the written evidence is contrary. This is grossly unfair.

And what of rudeness, if it did indeed occur? I personally have been exceptionally rude to certain employees/managers at QF and I freely admit to it. I reluctantly report that such rudeness was effective when polite, patient and logical enquiry were unproductive. Would you find my rude behaviour sufficient to justify preceding bad service or preceding bad delivery of product? Or inappropriate when more polite methods don't work?

Let me see if I understand your logic moving forward. If we cannot take the OP's perception of rude and unhelpful behaviour (as stated in her post) at face value, how can we ever respect any other posts made on this blog? :shock:

Let me ask a different question. Surely, IF people feel that a post or poster is not "dinkum", surely the appropriate action would be a report to one of our excellent Moderators with a request for removal of post or suspension of account? ;)

Perhaps if your own taste in Pinot Noir does not accord with mine I should discredit your integrity publicly rather than respectfully debating the experiences and rationale behind divergent personal opinions and points or view? :shock:

Personally, I don't find the UA intervention extraordinary. I find it entirely plausible that QF regularly leaves folk stranded and a smart and eagle eyed competitor would recognise opportunity.

As a final note, I have had other posters once or twice question my own integrity (yes integrity, not point of view or perceptions which inevitably differ) on this forum and it is very demeaning and frustrating experience, which is why I feel compelled to articulate my current personal point of view in support of the OP!

In the meantime I choose to take your informative posts on trust.
 
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My issue is if QF went 'above and beyond' to allow the OP to check-in 35minutes prior to departure - assuming she could Q in line and pass immigration quickly - and the OP got on board but her checked luggage did not make it? then would we expect another rant and rave?

Sometimes there are compelling reasons Y airlines refuse to check you in past the minimum cut off time - especially when boarding has already commenced.

If QF 'went above and beyond' to check her in and then lost her bag, they would be liable BUT if she was denied check-in, the fault is purely on the OP's hand.

Appreciated, Alanslegal! Thanks for the clarification.

But the OP's original post cited rude and unhelpful behaviour, not failure to get on the flight as her issue. I don't read any expectation on her part of QF having to go "above and beyond". She even mentions respecting the airline's processes.

And what right have we to judge her on events that have not even occurred (non existent posts about baggage not making the flight)? Should I imagine a post that you might make on and rip into you for something you haven't even written? :shock:

Can you not accept the possibility that despite the OP's lateness, that the QF were simply, well, rude and unhelpful? Why is this so unbelievable? It's happened to me. And others.

Why are you so determined to pass the OP off as a crazed ranter and raver and be so presumptious about how she might behave in another situation?

Do you not think that QF could have done something for this person - helped her to transfer to a later flight, perhaps? Directed her to the sales desk?
 
I had to go back a bit and use an older timetable as things have changed a bit since the actual event date. I believe the times changed after the missed connection, and again today.

Even with my calcs, there are a couple of things that don't add up - but that's the best guestimate/reconstruction I can make of what might have happened.

Thanks, Mal, I'm not too sure on the dates concerned. Hopefully the OP will weather the New Orleans hurricane experience safely and provide fuller feedback in due course!
 
Do you not think that QF could have done something for this person - helped her to transfer to a later flight, perhaps? Directed her to the sales desk?

All through this thread, this is what I have been thinking. Why could they not have referred her to the sales/ticketing desk and see what could be done? Wasn't going to make the flight, so that should have been it from the check-in agent and referred on to someone that could consider options, even if it meant paying for a later flight.
 
Platy, if you read several posts carefully with an open mind, you'll actually see that at least some posters are acknowledging the fact that the said QF staffer who reportedly said those words may have actually done so and, if it so happened, believe it is out of line. I think any human being would not condone that kind of attitude.

Your argumentation admittedly has me morally concerned......after all, your posts aren't exactly analytically balanced either.

Once again, this is written communication. We formulate context from what we can read. When I read the title of this thread, I immediately thought that QF really did stuff up big time and here's to another "pull out the rules book and set the record straight". When I read the OP's post I was back in limbo......

And yes, I've been done in by QF, though admittedly probably never gutted before. Then again, my moral standards probably differ a lot from you or anyone else here for that matter. Or perhaps I just haven't done enough flying to have been...."screwed"....by QF - if that contextualises it well enough...

Someone close this thread already - it's going in circles and delving deeper in discourse vertically......final call for 6 ft under.....

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Alright. I take your point Platy. I had made judgements on the validity of the OP's complaint by her previous complaints, the shrill tone of the thread title, and (if I'm honest) the poorly punctuated and ungrammatical sentence constructions.
I hear your argument though - I will I will try to take future posts at face value. Apologies to missanalytical - I accept that you may have a legitimate complaint - and I hope the response you got hasn't unduly scared you off future posts.
 
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Platy, if you read several posts carefully with an open mind, you'll actually see that at least some posters are acknowledging the fact that the said QF staffer who reportedly said those words may have actually done so and, if it so happened, believe it is out of line. I think any human being would not condone that kind of attitude.

Fully appreciated! Thanks for the clarification! Yeah, let's move on! :cool:
 
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Alright. I take your point Platy. I had made judgements on the validity of the OP's complaint by her previous complaints, the shrill tone of the thread title, and (if I'm honest) the poorly punctuated and ungrammatical sentence constructions.
I hear your argument though - I will I will try to take future posts at face value. Apologies to missanalytical - I accept that you may have a legitimate complaint - and I hope the response you got hasn't unduly scared you off future posts.

No worries, Will, and your frankness is very much appreciated! :D
 
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