Accor Plus Membership Discussion

[jase05]

but I'm hesitant to purchase Accor Plus because I know it will be money wasted.

You could also think of Accor Plus as like doing a cheap mattress run.
20 nights gifted every year you retain Accor Plus so you only have to stay 10 nights to get Gold each year

 

[kpro]

Upgrades on check-in are really YMMV with ALL, given the program terms only require a next category upgrade.

Even during the 1.5 years I was Diamond, I've only had a suite upgrade pro-actively offered once - at a Peppers. The Sofitel Sydney Darling Harbour didn't provide an upgrade at all as the next category was booked out, with the club manager advising that there wasn't a requirement to provide a Diamond member an upgrade beyond this. The duty manager finally upgraded me to a suite.

I dislike having to create a fuss like this, and therefore avoid Accor unless it's the only option or significantly cheaper then the competition. I keep Accor Plus as it's a benefit provided with the Amex Charge card.

 

[SYD]

You could also think of Accor Plus as like doing a cheap mattress run.
20 nights gifted every year you retain Accor Plus so you only have to stay 10 nights to get Gold each year

Ibis Biz used to give you ALL Gold automatically upfront each year just for €90.

They’ve changed the model also to gift 10 status nights per year (so guaranteed Silver). Fortunately I signed up for 2yrs of Ibis Biz - so should have a min of Gold through to some time in 2025 - without having to do MRs.

 

[SYD]

Ibis Biz used to give you ALL Gold automatically upfront each year just for €90.

They’ve changed the model also to gift 10 status nights per year (so guaranteed Silver). Fortunately I signed up for 2yrs of Ibis Biz - so should have a min of Gold through to some time in 2025 - without having to do MRs.

Coincidently, I just received an email offer to sign up for a Traveller Accor Plus for 4000 pts (ie €80). But with the 20 status nights - on top of the 10 I got from Ibis Biz and nights stayed this year…. Hmm.

Although I know Accor Plus and other subscription programs like Ibis Biz don’t stack at all on one account.

 

[ellen10]

Coincidently, I just received an email offer to sign up for a Traveller Accor Plus for 4000 pts (ie €80). But with the 20 status nights - on top of the 10 I got from Ibis Biz and nights stayed this year…. Hmm.

Although I know Accor Plus and other subscription programs like Ibis Biz don’t stack at all on one account.

So i just received the same email to sign up. But I have just renewed my Accor Plus subscription, which includes 20 nights and the 50% dining, so I don't see any advantage.

Am I missing something?

 

[SYD]

So i just received the same email to sign up. But I have just renewed my Accor Plus subscription, which includes 20 nights and the 50% dining, so I don't see any advantage.

Am I missing something?

No. Probably just a timing thing.

 

[Cynicor]

The 20 nights thing doesn’t help me much, would prefer points but I guess that needs to be fed back to them. Or they don’t want it as it would actually create a path to real status.

Once I hit HH lifetime diamond I’ll need to consider a new chain with lifetime status based on spend. As per many on here, it’s very hard to make status on nights but room rates cost so much that status on spend is an unfortunate reality!

Having a look, I think Accor would have made the cut if they had lifetime status. Pity. Will end up being Hyatt by default, I guess- Hilton done, Marriott doesn’t do spend based, no other large chains exist with lifetime!

 

[bits]

Received the bonus 20 days email on Tues. Days credited by Thurs.

 

[jase05]

The 20 nights thing doesn’t help me much, would prefer points but I guess that needs to be fed back to them.

From their end I guess it’s just easier gifting 20 nights rather than setting an arbitrary points. If they say gifted 2000 status credits each year you would get people still complaining. Accor would be thinking that if they gift 20 nights there will be a hell of a lot who will book the extra 10 nights to become Gold so they are sucking you in so to speak.
I’m guessing that with Diamond being only achieved on spend only they want that earnt rather than “gifted”. I’m quite comfortable with that as I feel there is already too many Plats and some benefits are being diluted so the last thing I want is Platinums being gifted status credits that may push them up to Diamonds and perhaps dilute our benefits further. Selfish I know but currently being a Diamond is still quite exclusive as you need to spend about $20k per year whereas with this new promotion you can get Platinum with a spend of under $3k per year

 

[dairyfloss]

The Plats & Diamonds on the Fb Accor Plus group are losing their minds over this change, flagging how many additional Platinum members there will now be, and how it will ruin their chances of upgrades and benefits; everything down to the potential size of the queues for the carpark at places that give free parking to elites... 'How to do a status match and get out of ALL' is also trending in the latest wave of posts

I'm still on my journey to ALL Platinum/Diamond (only started last week!), and will get to Platinum via status points in less nights than it would take to make ALL Silver. I'm not concerned about the potential of additional Platinum members joining by way of the Accor Plus 20 nights top-up, as there can't be that many Accor Plus members out there (anyone know overall member numbers?), and it's also more likely that someone benefitting from this is a Silver moving up to Gold, than a Silver or Gold moving up to Platinum. If they are in that second group, then it's also likely that if they haven't been making Gold or Platinum before now (which would be easy to do via status points, considering the underlying nights required), that they are not staying in 5 star or possibly even full-service properties, and so the likelihood of missed upgrade chances, crowding in lounges and other potential 'horrors' are seldom likely to eventuate for [most] organically attained Platinum & Diamond members.

It will be interesting to see if it does make much of a difference to overall elite numbers, and then if it does, whether that stays the case after year 1, when the annual nights bonus normalises at 20, rather than 10+20, for existing members, this year. Certainly, I'd expect there to be more ALL Golds, as that is very easy after the change, but there again, everyone who travels with QF and is >=Silver is probably ALL Gold already, and that would be a higher number than those who are members of Accor Plus. It will probably be a wash, or maybe even less ALL Golds, come early 2024.

Cheers,
Matt.

 

[Cynicor]

yeah, it’s typical gatekeeping. Happens with ever program when something is offered. The reality is it changes little after the first year.

 

[oz_mark]

The Plats & Diamonds on the Fb Accor Plus group are losing their minds over this change, flagging how many additional Platinum members there will now be, and how it will ruin their chances of upgrades and benefits; everything down to the potential size of the queues for the carpark at places that give free parking to elites... 'How to do a status match and get out of ALL' is also trending in the latest wave of posts

I'm still on my journey to ALL Platinum/Diamond (only started last week!), and will get to Platinum via status points in less nights than it would take to make ALL Silver. I'm not concerned about the potential of additional Platinum members joining by way of the Accor Plus 20 nights top-up, as there can't be that many Accor Plus members out there (anyone know overall member numbers?), and it's also more likely that someone benefitting from this is a Silver moving up to Gold, than a Silver or Gold moving up to Platinum. If they are in that second group, then it's also likely that if they haven't been making Gold or Platinum before now (which would be easy to do via status points, considering the underlying nights required), that they are not staying in 5 star or possibly even full-service properties, and so the likelihood of missed upgrade chances, crowding in lounges and other potential 'horrors' are seldom likely to eventuate for [most] organically attained Platinum & Diamond members.

It will be interesting to see if it does make much of a difference to overall elite numbers, and then if it does, whether that stays the case after year 1, when the annual nights bonus normalises at 20, rather than 10+20, for existing members, this year. Certainly, I'd expect there to be more ALL Golds, as that is very easy after the change, but there again, everyone who travels with QF and is >=Silver is probably ALL Gold already, and that would be a higher number than those who are members of Accor Plus. It will probably be a wash, or maybe even less ALL Golds, come early 2024.

I don't really get it. AccorPlus used to get you Silver, and that hasn't changed. Just the way you get to it.

You still need to do 40 nights to get Platinum, which is still quite an effort. After last years fasttrack, many are still back at Gold, so I don't think there is going to be a huge influx of Platinums. There will probably be more Gold around, but that doesn't get the breakfast/lounge benefits.
As for DIamond, I expect that those that are getting to DIamond, will keep getting to DIamond, and that there may be some incremental benefits added to this level.

 

[jase05]

yeah, it’s typical gatekeeping. Happens with ever program when something is offered. The reality is it changes little after the first year.

Definitely a lot more Platinums getting about these days. Many of the EL’s are full to capacity with some even turning people away. Short of increasing the size of EL’s there apparently is a few trials underway and a perhaps a few tweaks coming in the future

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You still need to do 40 nights to get Platinum, which is still quite an effort

I know of a few people who have done some interesting mattress runs

 

[oz_mark]

Definitely a lot more Platinums getting about these days. Many of the EL’s are full to capacity with some even turning people away. Short of increasing the size of EL’s there apparently is a few trials underway and a perhaps a few tweaks coming in the future

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I know of a few people who have done some interesting mattress runs

I guess if you like checking in and out of Ibis hotels (or other cheap Red Hot Rooms) you could. Even then, you are looking at a couple of thousand, and while there will be some, I don't know the numbers would be huge....

Having said that, if the idea was to sell more room nights, then job done

 

[jase05]

I guess if you like checking in and out of Ibis hotels (or other cheap Red Hot Rooms) you could. Even then, you are looking at a couple of thousand, and while there will be some, I don't know the numbers would be huge....

Having said that, if the idea was to sell more room nights, then job done

Ibis Legian currently has Red hot rooms for about $750 for a month

 

[http_x92]

The good old mattress run trick where you check in online, get your digital key and you are there 'virtually'.

Similar to what some Hyatt Globalists did for MGM hotels before that partnership ended...

Not sure if it works for Ibis hotels in the Sydney suburbs here tho...

 

[CaptainCurtis]

Quick question on the dining benefit - I (Accor Plus member) am taking some 3 folks out for dinner tonight, one of whom I have requested a Member for a Day certificate for. We're not staying at the attached hotel, but wanted to confirm I'll still be able to stack my membership with the MFAD certificate to receive 50%?

 

[sudoer]

Quick question on the dining benefit - I (Accor Plus member) am taking some 3 folks out for dinner tonight, one of whom I have requested a Member for a Day certificate for. We're not staying at the attached hotel, but wanted to confirm I'll still be able to stack my membership with the MFAD certificate to receive 50%?

Correct.

Have done this myself at Tayim last year with a group of five. My Accor Plus card and one MFOD cert gave 40% off food, as expected.

 

[CaptainCurtis]

Correct.

Have done this myself at Tayim last year with a group of five. My Accor Plus card and one MFOD cert gave 40% off food, as expected.

Fantastic - we’re heading to Tayim tonight, food there is great.

 

[oz_mark]

The Plats & Diamonds on the Fb Accor Plus group are losing their minds over this change, flagging how many additional Platinum members there will now be, and how it will ruin their chances of upgrades and benefits; everything down to the potential size of the queues for the carpark at places that give free parking to elites... 'How to do a status match and get out of ALL' is also trending in the latest wave of posts

Many in that group seem to have a very tenuous grasp on how the programs work (beyond getting them discounted meals)