Air Asia drama ex-Per

[yohy?!]

That airliners post sounds like someone with deep (and understandable) regret over their choice of airline

 

[Quickstatus]

The comments on Ms Wright's facebook page make interesting reading... anyone daring to question the actions of the pilots is shot down, and the pilot is hailed a hero for landing the plane. The names of the posters suggest perhaps national pride is playing a role? The Malay opposition MP who spoke out against the pilot asking passengers to pray has been labelled 'an extremist opposition member' and universally condemned.

If nothing else it certainly makes you appreciate living in Australia.

And additionally any criticism of D7 will likely unleash accusations of racism

No media outlets except for Crikey have asked the question about not diverting to LEA

 

[Borisdog]

I wonder if this pilot has any previous "form" with other Air Asia incidents mentioned?

I work in a very nasty refinery with lots of very life-threatening chemicals. I know if stuff goes pear shaped at my work I'm looking to remove the risk "right now".

I would think that removing the risk of having a shaking aircraft turn itself into Parts A & B would be to get it on the ground at the first and nearest runway that'll take it.

 

[theblank]

I would think that removing the risk of having a shaking aircraft turn itself into Parts A & B would be to get it on the ground at the first and nearest runway that'll take it.

I am inclined to think that the Pilot would rather not die himself.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I am inclined to think that the Pilot would rather not die himself.

True - but that's only helpful if the pilot knows what to do. We'll have to wait and see what the investigation turns up - it may have been a well reasoned decision to fly back to Perth.

 

[PaulST]

Wow! If that was designed as a PR piece it fails... PR has to be believable. How on earth would the passenger know Air Asia's plane was 'thoroughly checked before departure'?

i wonder how many posts madelanie Wright has?

DITTO.
But at least they put in the effort to make up a name other than John Smith...
Almost definitely a rather poor concoction on behalf of Air Asia's PR department.

 

[JohnK]

I don't quite understand some of the references against the pilot asking for a prayer. There's nothing wrong asking someone to pray. Some people draw strength from praying. In fact if the pilot was Greek they may ask that you cross yourself and say a prayer.

Glad to see everyone is ok.

 

[Quickstatus]

Yes I think the prayer thing is a red herring. its neither here not there.

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Re AirAsia drama. I'm reminded of some AirAsia A320 tailstrikes. I suppose this can occur on any airplane but on a short airframe fly by wire?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I don't quite understand some of the references against the pilot asking for a prayer. There's nothing wrong asking someone to pray. Some people draw strength from praying. In fact if the pilot was Greek they may ask that you cross yourself and say a prayer.

Glad to see everyone is ok.

Do the passengers - those that want to - need to be told or reminded to pray? you'd think they'd already be doing it if they wanted to. Perhaps the pilot should be dealing with the situation, not making small talk about praying.

If the situation was so bad it requires prayer, perhaps the pilot could have put the plane down earlier? I dunno, we'll have to see what the investigation shows up.

 

[theblank]

] Perhaps the pilot should be dealing with the situation, not making small talk about praying.

Perhaps the pilot was dealing with the situation and didnt make small talk about praying.

The media and the offended are making out that it happened like this "This is your captain speaking, I'm praying, I hope you are too." Obviously not.
Its seems likely the Captain made an announcement and something like that was tacked onto the end. Its very unfair to judge the pilot without hearing the full context, which was probably ignored by the media reports because its not so sensational if his full statement was taken into account.

 

[JohnK]

Do the passengers - those that want to - need to be told or reminded to pray? you'd think they'd already be doing it if they wanted to. Perhaps the pilot should be dealing with the situation, not making small talk about praying.

If the situation was so bad it requires prayer, perhaps the pilot could have put the plane down earlier? I dunno, we'll have to see what the investigation shows up.

I think people are over analysing the situation. Some cultures use references to deities and praying in everyday life.

Say a prayer doesn't mean we are in trouble. No different to someone in our culture saying wish us luck with a particular unexpected situation. Or we need all the luck we can get. Not impossible but a little more difficult than usual.

 

[mannej]

JohnK, it's easy for the armchair critics to make comment on limited information, especially if it has been sensationalised in the media.

As Australia is secular, people will always comment on situations such as this in the fashion that we have seen. Let's not forget his comments may also have been cultural as well.

Out of interest, has the full video of what the Pilot been released in the media, or has it been clipped?

 

[PaulST]

I think people are over analysing the situation. Some cultures use references to deities and praying in everyday life.

Say a prayer doesn't mean we are in trouble. No different to someone in our culture saying wish us luck with a particular unexpected situation. Or we need all the luck we can get. Not impossible but a little more difficult than usual.

I disagree. I would be unimpressed if a Qantas captain, during an emergency, said something alone the lines of "wish me good luck". I'd prefer they used their skills and training rather than relying on my well wishes.

 

[ermen]

damned if you do damned if you don't

pilot comes on and tries to to talk to passengers, people say he should shut up and do his job
pilot doesn't come on and doesn't talk to passengers, people will say he should communicate more

Whatever he said, the pertinent questions are:-
(i) should he have spoken on the intercom at all (and does doing so detract from his job?)
(ii) did he make the right decision in bringing the plane back to PER instead of diverting ASAP to LEA (or wherever else)

 

[PaulST]

damned if you do damned if you don't

pilot comes on and tries to to talk to passengers, people say he should shut up and do his job
pilot doesn't come on and doesn't talk to passengers, people will say he should communicate more

Whatever he said, the pertinent questions are:-
(i) should he have spoken on the intercom at all (and does doing so detract from his job?)
(ii) did he make the right decision in bringing the plane back to PER instead of diverting ASAP to LEA (or wherever else)

I'm not sure that anyone here is saying that the captain addressing the pax is a bad thing. Our criticism is about what was said.

Here's how to do it properly:
[video=youtube;CK287MToI78]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK287MToI78&t[/video]

 

[coriander]

(i) should he have spoken on the intercom at all (and does doing so detract from his job?)
(ii) did he make the right decision in bringing the plane back to PER instead of diverting ASAP to LEA (or wherever else)

Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. A short concise factual communication that the situation is unfortunate and the plane is stable and under control, this is something we train for all the time and we are returning to Perth. No BS about "your survival depends on your co-operation".

 

[coriander]

I'm not sure that anyone here is saying that the captain addressing the pax is a bad thing. Our criticism is about what was said.
Here's how to do it properly:

How do I give this 1000 likes?

 

[donovan301]

How do I give this 1000 likes? (because there's not even one like button)

It starts with but One "Like"

Just added mine.
Dude is a Pro, Should be quoted in training.

 

[coriander]

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Dude is a Pro, Should be quoted in training.

Well the "Dude" wrote a book - (Richard deCrespigny)

 

[jb747]

Well the "Dude" wrote a book - (Richard deCrespigny)

Actually he didn't. That's not RdC on the PA. It's David Evans. Not only does he do a good PA, but he's a particularly good operator.