AJ gets pie in the face

[get me outta here]

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The pie action was assault no matter what the politics or sexual preference.

 

[amaroo]

Boycotting a company when you disagree with them is not 'closing down free speech', nor is it a hate act.

'Pie man' had plenty of options to protest Alan Joyce/Qantas that didn't involve (extremely mild) physical assault. He could have called for a boycott just like those that disagreed with Coopers did. He probably wouldn't find much support, but that's beside the point.

The pie man should be arrested and charged.

However, when a company like Coopers is assaulted with a mob mentality - we've moved a long way from free speech.

 

[straitman]

This has now wandered a long way off topic so some posts are being deleted.

Let us get back to the topic please folks.

 

[RooFlyer]

No rooflyer. That isn't what I meant about social importance. (Can't quote as your post looked a bit weird to quote).

Rather - It's too easy to ignore real social injustice in this world by dismissing it as saying it isn't important (to me.) Which is quite likely unless you are directly impacted by it. But that never means you should ignore it.

Apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[RichardMEL]

The pie man should be arrested and charged.

He has been charged with assault, trespass and giving false information to Police. he will be in WA court next month.

 

[codash1099]

Man Who Threw Pie At Alan Joyce Sentenced To 24 Hours On A Jetstar Flight – The Shovel

 

[toasty]

Man Who Threw Pie At Alan Joyce Sentenced To 24 Hours On A Jetstar Flight – The Shovel

Appropriate punishment.

 

[Pushka]

Man Who Threw Pie At Alan Joyce Sentenced To 24 Hours On A Jetstar Flight – The Shovel

Appropriate punishment.

Mentioned a couple of days ago.

 

[greyyy]

Can't believe this thread is still going, 159 posts later. To be completely honest, I think this thread has gone off the rails and has provided all useful discussion that it possibly can. AJ got a pie to the face, the perpetrator had political/religious reasons for doing so. I'm not really sure what else there is to talk about?

I don't think that a Qantas Frequent Flyer forum is the best place to discuss the merits of same-sex marriage or what constitutes 'free speech'.

 

[straitman]

Can't believe this thread is still going, 159 posts later. To be completely honest, I think this thread has gone off the rails and has provided all useful discussion that it possibly can. AJ got a pie to the face, the perpetrator had political/religious reasons for doing so. I'm not really sure what else there is to talk about?

I don't think that a Qantas Frequent Flyer forum is the best place to discuss the merits of same-sex marriage or what constitutes 'free speech'.

You are correct in that the thread has gone off the rails again. It is about AJ gets pie in the face. This IS NOT a political and sexual preference issue.

Further OT posts will be removed and the thread closed if people cannot understand that.

We try not to close threads but when they continually get deliberately sidetracked by people this sometimes becomes necessary.

 

[whatmeworry]

Did AJ have to fly back to PER to give a Police statement?

 

[oz_mark]

Won't be flying Qantas again

A Perth man charged with pushing a pie into the face of Qantas boss Alan Joyce has been slapped with a lifetime ban by the airline.

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/perth-man-slapped-with-qantas-ban-over-pie-incident-ng-b88476534z

 

[njba]

The pie-thrower has been thrown with a lifetime QF ban: https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/perth-man-slapped-with-qantas-ban-over-pie-incident-ng-b88476534z

Not a surprise!

 

[turtlemichael]

Word is the pie is in a holding pattern.

In light of the Qantas lifetime ban, it would be good if the airlines supported each other with a consistent approach when assaults on staff of one airline occur.

 

[samh004]

[-]Thread closed pending clean-up.[/-]

Thread re-opened.

In total, 84 posts have been removed from this thread that were not on-topic. A separate thread in the playground has been created containing all manner of plebiscite and other discussion, where you can continue to debate those issues if you like. Any further discussion of those issues in this thread will be deleted (not moved to the new thread). You have been warned.

 

[Melburnian1]

Interesting that if one views the reader's comments underneath 'The Australian's' article about the alleged pie thrower being banned from QF, JQ, EK and so on, there is almost no support for the ban that Mr Joyce has imposed on the gentleman concerned.

We need to remember that while hardly anyone supports throwing pies in public figures' (or anyone's) face(s), it has a long tradition in Australia (and probably other democracies) as a way of demonstrating disquiet, with no resultant physical harm to the recipient. The other factor is that the gentleman concerned has not been convicted of any offence, and even if he was to be, the act was not committed on board an aircraft or anywhere near an airport.

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has summed it up pretty well (although making these two separate comments at different times).

He said that company CEOs and others should stick to the knitting and concentrate on running their businesses, rather than being social engineers. That comment was made before the pie throwing incident.

The second comment was to condemn the pie throwing incident.

How many conservative Australians has this company offended with its constant support for changing a key maxim of society that has stood the test of time for thousands of years?

 

[RooFlyer]

Here are some comments from The Oz's article.(may be pay-walled). In fact, we get to hear the gent's own words:

The same-sex marriage *opponent who shoved a pie in *Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce’s face last week says the company has “identified a new form of flight risk” by banning him for life from its planes.

In a further dig at Mr Joyce and his vocal campaign for marriage equality, Tony Overheu told The Australian in an email that he believed businesses should “run healthy operations employing people while providing needed goods and services”.

The devout Christian said people such as him were fed up with moral stands taken by business leaders.

“Having rejected the notion CEOs are to assume the role of moral watchdog, the elderly are saying enough is enough,” he said. “Meantime, having determined a new form of flight risk, it seems Qantas are taking what they see as appropriate measures to protect their passengers and employees.”

So it seems his motivation was the social activism taken by Joyce, not some fundamental -phobia or hatred. A couple of decent lines there .

Mr Joyce gave a statement to police and vowed he would not be “bullied” into suppressing his views on social issues.

Multimillion dollar, high profile CEO of iconic Australian company bullied by a guy wielding a cream pie. Poor pet.

 

[Pushka]

I don't think someone has to be convicted of a (criminal) offence in order to be banned from an airline. Just be shown likely to present an unruly person likely to cause disruption in the air.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Of course there's no risk. The ban seems petty retribution in this case. Personally I don't think AJ should be pressing charges in this case, but I accept others will disagree.

 

[Pushka]

Of course there's no risk. The ban seems petty retribution in this case. Personally I don't think AJ should be pressing charges in this case, but I accept others will disagree.

It can be up to the Police to press charges and in which case the 'victim' has no choice once that process has started. The 'victim' can even want the charges to be dropped but that is only taken into account at a higher level after some time. Its weird but its designed to protect the victim from 'pressure'.