All zeros but lots of open seats

[simongr]

Hi all
Just weighing up whether to request an upgrade for my flight home BNE-SYD tomorrow so I checked EF and the whole flight looks to be fully booked:

J0 D0 I0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 G0 E0

The seat map though shows a wide open flight. Any thoughts on this?

I just realised that it is dreamtime equipped so the push to upgrade might be a stronger already... No online upgrade is available though.

 

[whughes3]

It is almost certainly just down to the fact that not many people pre-allocate seats on domestic flights.

 

[tuppaware]

Hi all
Just weighing up whether to request an upgrade for my flight home BNE-SYD tomorrow so I checked EF and the whole flight looks to be fully booked:

J0 D0 I0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 G0 E0

The seat map though shows a wide open flight. Any thoughts on this?

I just realised that it is dreamtime equipped so the push to upgrade might be a stronger already... No online upgrade is available though.

Its because your a WP. You have rule over seat selection!

 

[simongr]

I guess that means a jam packed flight...

 

[richie9x]

Seems unusual that a mid week flight from BNE-SYD would be totally full. Although it could due a canceled flights due to the industrial action. Or maybe EF is returning inaccurate data. You could try doing a dummy booking via Qantas to try and see if they will sell you a seat on it, if they do then that would point to the EF data not being an accurate representation of the actual flight.

 

[ozmille]

Hi all
Just weighing up whether to request an upgrade for my flight home BNE-SYD tomorrow so I checked EF and the whole flight looks to be fully booked:

J0 D0 I0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 G0 E0

The seat map though shows a wide open flight. Any thoughts on this?

I just realised that it is dreamtime equipped so the push to upgrade might be a stronger already... No online upgrade is available though.

Which flight are you looking at? I can't see any flight with no availability, the least I can see is QF557 with only 1 seat in Y class...

 

[simongr]

18:15 bne-syd

 

[ozmille]

18:15 bne-syd

QF 553 JL DL IL Y2 B1 HL KL ML LL GL

it looks overbooked in whY, as WP I can see row 23 available. You could hope for an opup or ask for an ODU when you get to the lounge

 

[simongr]

I am guessing that is from an internal system? What does the L mean?

Interesting you are showing 23 free as I am in 23E with only 23J free as well.

 

[TravelingSmithy]

Anything after 1745 is full in J with the 1815 maybe one or two seats in near full Y. If you are looking at AMADEUS or GAL QF often block sales so not oversold. QF flights on this leg are constantly full on the 737s these days. If you want an upgrade boom a 767 if possible & don't use 23 24 AB pre seated as if a aircraft 767 model changes you will get a seat change.

Cheers Keith

 

[TravelingSmithy]

I am guessing that is from an internal system? What does the L mean?

Interesting you are showing 23 free as I am in 23E with only 23J free as well.

1815 not even showing on the QF web site & is a 767. 23E you will have a middle seat person next to you. My thoughts 23J a good option. Front row economy & on the aisle

Cheers

 

[simongr]

I am on the Dreamtime equipped 767 hence 23E with a space next to me on my right.

 

[TravelingSmithy]

I am on the Dreamtime equipped 767 hence 23E with a space next to me on my right.

Sounds good !!!

 

[ozmille]

I am guessing that is from an internal system? What does the L mean?

Interesting you are showing 23 free as I am in 23E with only 23J free as well.

yup, but it usually matches EF pretty good. L is what we see for a waitlist, the seatmap I see is;



maybe give QF a buzz for 23A or B

 

[simongr]

Aircraft just changed now on a standard 763 - 23J.

 

[ozmille]

Aircraft just changed now on a standard 763 - 23J.

That is the one without 23DEF? Which seat did they put you in?

 

[serfty]

C < L < 0 ... < 9

C - Waitlist Closed
L - Waitlist only
0 - Bucket open but no seats ordinarily available (some may be able to force a booking)
...
9 - Full open fare bucket.

 

[simongr]

That is the one without 23DEF? Which seat did they put you in?

Snagged 23J - actually prefer that to 23E that I had on the int'l config. I will only have a satchel so that can be thrown in the overhead.

 

[ozbeachbabe]

Hi all
Just weighing up whether to request an upgrade for my flight home BNE-SYD tomorrow so I checked EF and the whole flight looks to be fully booked:

J0 D0 I0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 G0 E0

The seat map though shows a wide open flight. Any thoughts on this?

I just realised that it is dreamtime equipped so the push to upgrade might be a stronger already... No online upgrade is available though.

Simon I would leave it until you get to the airport as theflight might be oversold in whY eg by 10 seats if there are 10 unsold seats in J. Yield Ops usually do the op-ups 5 hours prior so leave the ODU until you're at the airport as you may already be in J & therefore can hang on to your hard earned points.

There's two separate issues here:

a) availability of seats on your flight (or lack of in this case) - I have no doubt that EF would be correct

b) allocation of seats on the full flight

Viewing the seat map just shows you what physical seats are yet to be allocated. Some pax will have maybe done this at the time of booking with some others doing mobile or OLCI at T-24 however the rest of the 'available' seats which could be maybe 75% of the flight rely on getting their seats when they get to the airport ie there will be a bum on every seat.

One example of what can happen when viewing a seat map on a full flight & assuming flight is 'wide open' was pre Altea when flight ediiting (ie pre-allocation of seats by airport staff for people travelling together) was done manually a father & son had been allocated 37JK then the Mum did OLCI, saw all the 'empty' seats so moved the youngster from 37J into 38E assuming that row would remain empty & he could lie down & sleep on a red eye DRW/SYD flight so no prizes for guessing what happened.

Seems unusual that a mid week flight from BNE-SYD would be totally full. Although it could due a canceled flights due to the industrial action. Or maybe EF is returning inaccurate data. You could try doing a dummy booking via Qantas to try and see if they will sell you a seat on it, if they do then that would point to the EF data not being an accurate representation of the actual flight.

I am guessing that is from an internal system? What does the L mean?

Interesting you are showing 23 free as I am in 23E with only 23J free as well.

"L" in a lot of GDS's means waitlist only ie full in those classes

Anything after 1745 is full in J with the 1815 maybe one or two seats in near full Y. If you are looking at AMADEUS or GAL QF often block sales so not oversold. QF flights on this leg are constantly full on the 737s these days. If you want an upgrade boom a 767 if possible & don't use 23 24 AB pre seated as if a aircraft 767 model changes you will get a seat change.

Cheers Keith

If the flight is showing full in J in reservations & via the website it could still mean there are seats block in J but are showing instead as whY availability. There airline has much more chance of selling Y seats than J so rather than risk a flight go out full in whY but with 15 unsold seats in J & make zilch they will be able to sell 15 Y fares then just do 15 op-ups & they receive $$$ for 15 whY airfares.

 

[muppet]

C < L < 0 ... < 9

C - Waitlist Closed
L - Waitlist only
0 - Bucket open but no seats ordinarily available (some may be able to force a booking)
...
9 - Full open fare bucket.

Sorry serfty a bit OT.

If I have a say V class booking on a later flight, can I waitlist for availability if all classes are sold out? Or can you only waitlist Y?

Also, If I can, how?

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