An invitation from Lesley Grant

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agree. QF's much advertised "Biggest Early Bird Sale", still QF sale fares (as an example) 25-30% more Aus-LHR than Cathay. MUCH prefer Cathay if un-restrained by QF "loyalty".

You're not kidding. In fact, 'Simpler and Fairer' has made me think that SG is the only status worth retaining and, as such, it's looking likely we will be going to Europe on EY in J next year. QF is not even on the radar for that trip.
 
Ms Grant probably already knows about this website, and others like QF sucks, etc, but someone higher up who is attending should bring sites like AFF should bring it to her attention, all the blah we mention/talk about on here.
Eg, how some "loyal" or once loyal QF FF members totally disagree with the post Jul 14 changes.
Though not having atteneded, or more so, not ever having gotten an invite, maybe its not protocol to talk to her directly, that what AFF want answers to, has to be written down on paper, etc.
Shes probably too busy to read our mumble on here anyroad.
As an aside: I do like the QPs though, better than VA the lounge.
 
Not been invited - was last year....How many points did you have?
Oops - I managed to delete them!! Both MR FM and I got invites - on a Friday evening though - I will need to go and negotiate with him re his games night which is every Friday night....he could just have it later as the function finishes at 8pm. Hmm - assumes best pleading look and goes off.....
 
Oops - I managed to delete them!! Both MR FM and I got invites - on a Friday evening though - I will need to go and negotiate with him re his games night which is every Friday night....he could just have it later as the function finishes at 8pm. Hmm - assumes best pleading look and goes off.....
Damn I think I am still jetlagged - having talked Mr FM into it I then discovered the RSVP date was a Friday and the function on a Thursday so definitely going!
 
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Ms Grant probably already knows about this website, and others like QF sucks, etc, but someone higher up who is attending should bring sites like AFF should bring it to her attention, all the blah we mention/talk about on here.
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I can assure you that Ms Grant and her team know all about AFF and the other internet sites. After all, several of us from AFF attended a lunch with the loyalty team earlier this year and had many discussions about many of the matters discussed in this and other threads.
 
I can assure you that Ms Grant and her team know all about AFF and the other internet sites. After all, several of us from AFF attended a lunch with the loyalty team earlier this year and had many discussions about many of the matters discussed in this and other threads.
Is the invitation to a presentation, or a Q&A session?
 
I have a hunch it's a presentation

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Guessing this is what we will be hearing about tonight:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/avia...flyers-with-new-benefits-20141006-10qx7v.html

Hate to say, this makes me less loyal, and it's frankly a stupid move.

To summarise, P1 to get partner WP (devaluing earned WP and also stupid as the partner would be travelling with the P1 or probably in a premium class), a flow forward earlier domestic flight benefit (the other guys give this to much lower tiers), free phone booking (don't they get this already) and a membership to their golf club (I couldn't care less).

I am unlikely (nor even desire) to reach P1 on self funded travel. Now that there will be a couple of thousand new WPs, being WP means less and less and the benefits will be eroded further.

These people are geniuses.
 
Guessing this is what we will be hearing about tonight:

Qantas targets top-tier frequent flyers with new benefits

Hate to say, this makes me less loyal, and it's frankly a stupid move.

To summarise, P1 to get partner WP (devaluing earned WP and also stupid as the partner would be travelling with the P1 or probably in a premium class), a flow forward earlier domestic flight benefit (the other guys give this to much lower tiers), free phone booking (don't they get this already) and a membership to their golf club (I couldn't care less).

I am unlikely (nor even desire) to reach P1 on self funded travel. Now that there will be a couple of thousand new WPs, being WP means less and less and the benefits will be eroded further.

These people are geniuses.

Let's demolish this one step at a time....

1/ You say you'll never reach P1 on self-funded travel - fair enough ( I won't requalify on self-funded travel either). So clearly this is not going to be an incentive for you - fair enough. But QF never wanted P1 to be an "incentive" in that regard... More as a reward to keep high-flyers within the Group rather than thinking their extra SC earn was wasted.

2/ How on God's Earth will benefits be eroded by this????? Seriously - I am so sick of this bull**** argument that comes up from time to time!!

What are you worried about - that a partner WP (if they don't already have a shiny card from flying so much with their partner) is going to compete with you for seats at the DYKWIA Convention???

Are you worried that they will take your precious seat in the lounge when they are flying (OMG they're flying and earning status) - here's a lightbulb moment - THEY ALREADY HAVE PG STATUS - which means they already have lounge access in their own right.

OK - now they have access to the F lounge on the odd occasion that they are not flying with their partner.

I'm sorry - but has anyone actually been turned away from the F lounge because they were full? Yes - sometimes the restaurant is busy - but they will still serve you wherever you are in the lounge. And if the wankers on their MacBook Airs with their rose-petal soy lattes actually moved their man satchels and themselves away from the restaurant when they have finished eating - then there would be plenty of room for new eaters.

Besides - this congestion really only occurs briefly ahead of QF107 in my observations.

As far as other lounge crowding goes - drop the guest entitlement and revert to guest passes - seems fairer to me and will make more lounge space.

OH - I get it - you're worried that they'll pip you on upgrade priority or take your award seats - well you've forgotten an important point:

As a P1 - if I want to upgrade my "cousin" (or get an award seat for them) - they ALREADY receive P1 priority so you're already pipped regardless.

Fact is two things:

1/ I doubt this will make jack-all difference. The only example is the one QF themselves provides... ie. the partner is flying to meet the P1 on holiday and may use the F lounge by themselves. Most other times they'll be the P1's guest anyway.

2/ This should have been included when P1 was launched - it's simply tidying up what was a glaring omission.


It may not benefit you - hell - it may not benefit me, but to claim it makes you less loyal is a stupid comment and really contributes nothing.

NOW - if you're point was "hmm, ok.... don't really see much improvement and it really just serves to show that VA provide a pretty decent offering in comparison for less" - well then that is a very fair statement.

Sorry for the rant- but I'm sick and tired of people stating logical fallacies when it comes to dilution of benefits.

There is plenty of material to bag QF about - plenty of opportunities for them to improve - plenty of times they get it wrong - but this is a genuine improvement (albeit minor and perhaps insufficient).
 
Well how is business class eroded by upgrades?

Personally, I can see how a few thousand extra platinums are a few thousand extra people for the crew to become complacent about provided special service. Maybe I'm just bitter because of the lack of a birthday welcome this year as a platinum. Much like on VA I'm finding platinum is increasingly being ignored. meh

P1 plus platinum now add in 2 extra guests to the F lounge and 4 guests to the domestic lounges.
 
Guessing this is what we will be hearing about tonight:

Qantas targets top-tier frequent flyers with new benefits

Hate to say, this makes me less loyal, and it's frankly a stupid move.

To summarise, P1 to get partner WP (devaluing earned WP and also stupid as the partner would be travelling with the P1 or probably in a premium class), a flow forward earlier domestic flight benefit (the other guys give this to much lower tiers), free phone booking (don't they get this already) and a membership to their golf club (I couldn't care less).

I am unlikely (nor even desire) to reach P1 on self funded travel. Now that there will be a couple of thousand new WPs, being WP means less and less and the benefits will be eroded further.

These people are geniuses.

However everybody around here is very happy to receive a DSC promotion which most likely generates far more 'fake' WP members.
 
Well how is business class eroded by upgrades?

Personally, I can see how a few thousand extra platinums are a few thousand extra people for the crew to become complacent about provided special service. Maybe I'm just bitter because of the lack of a birthday welcome this year as a platinum. Much like on VA I'm finding platinum is increasingly being ignored. meh

P1 plus platinum now add in 2 extra guests to the F lounge and 4 guests to the domestic lounges.

Only if they all deliberate MAXIMISE their guest benefits.

If peeps here are concerned about guest overcrowding - I'm glad to hear that they will not be participating in AFF's lounge meet threads either as a Guestor or Guestee.
 
Only if they all deliberate MAXIMISE their guest benefits.

If peeps here are concerned about guest overcrowding - I'm glad to hear that they will not be participating in AFF's lounge meet threads either as a Guestor or Guestee.

Did I say anything about being concerned? Just outlining that this makes a big difference to guest allowance. From the plus one being the 1 guest to them both having 2 guests. hypothetically for me that would mean actually using the F lounge for our regular trips with the brother in law and his wife. SWMBO and I could both guest 1 plus the kids don't count versus the primary member having 1 guest. Unlikely to be an issue, but it is just an example of how what the changes mean.

Not sure why you are suggesting people shouldn't use their guest allowance. I certainly didn't make such a suggestion.
 
Yes - sometimes the restaurant is busy - but they will still serve you wherever you are in the lounge. And if the wankers on their MacBook Airs with their rose-petal soy lattes actually moved their man satchels and themselves away from the restaurant when they have finished eating - then there would be plenty of room for new eaters.

You mean room for new wankers don't you!

And btw I don't drink soy lattes!!!
 
I got an invite to the Canberra function. I am only bronze status, but I have received a lot of points in the past couple of years from credit card bonuses and did spend 280k points this year on 2 x oneworld awards. I am going to head along
, doubt I will get invited in future years, anyone else from here going?
 
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