Angry pax declines to Raise Reclined Seat During Service...

[MEL_Traveller]

The right to enjoy the space implied by buying a seat doesn't enter the equation, and therein is the rub.

The argument used by anti-seat-recliners is that when someone reclines, it takes up the space of the person behind.

The flaw with this argument is that they have the option to maintain the total amount of space if they too recline.

Why must the argument be 'I don't recline so no one else should either' rather than 'if everyone reclines there is no issue'

There are obviously some exceptions to this... it seems the passenger in that particular last row had no recline at all. That's the fault of the airline... or the passenger buying a 'basic' fare with no seat selection, rather than the recliner.

There are options for anti-recliners to avoid seats where someone can recline into them.

 

[NickCorr]

I used to really like the old CX shell seats in Y were the recline came at the expense of the reclinee's knee room with no affect on the row behind, Also kept the TV in a constant position. Like the old Qantas J seats.

 

[drron]

The fellow in the seat behind in this incident was a goose continually punching the seat in front.
The woman who reclined is an even bigger goose as she wants the guy identified so she can sue him.She also wants the flight attendent sacked.

 

[juddles]

The argument used by anti-seat-recliners is that when someone reclines, it takes up the space of the person behind.

The flaw with this argument is that they have the option to maintain the total amount of space if they too recline.

Why must the argument be 'I don't recline so no one else should either' rather than 'if everyone reclines there is no issue'

There are obviously some exceptions to this... it seems the passenger in that particular last row had no recline at all. That's the fault of the airline... or the passenger buying a 'basic' fare with no seat selection, rather than the recliner.

There are options for anti-recliners to avoid seats where someone can recline into them.

Um, completely untrue.

I am tall. The seat-back IFE on many planes is positioned such that I can use it when the seat in front is in the upright position. But when they recline it is at an angle that is physically impossible to view. I can recline my seat and maintain the same volume of space you refer to, but no IFE.

I know that being tall is my own personal problem, I know that airlines can not get it right for everyone. But to say that "if everyone reclines there is no issue" is false and incorrect.

 

[p--and--t]

Um, completely untrue.

I am tall. The seat-back IFE on many planes is positioned such that I can use it when the seat in front is in the upright position. But when they recline it is at an angle that is physically impossible to view. I can recline my seat and maintain the same volume of space you refer to, but no IFE.

I know that being tall is my own personal problem, I know that airlines can not get it right for everyone. But to say that "if everyone reclines there is no issue" is false and incorrect.

You left out the bit where if you are seated in Y+, the adjoining seats are usually separated by unmovable high partition/armrests that hold your tray table etc.

So when the person in front reclines their seat fully in some configs there is very little room between the seat and partition so it is physically impossible to stand up straight let alone leave your seat to go to the toilet especially when you are over 190cm

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Um, completely untrue.

I am tall. The seat-back IFE on many planes is positioned such that I can use it when the seat in front is in the upright position. But when they recline it is at an angle that is physically impossible to view. I can recline my seat and maintain the same volume of space you refer to, but no IFE.

I know that being tall is my own personal problem, I know that airlines can not get it right for everyone. But to say that "if everyone reclines there is no issue" is false and incorrect.

I'm 6'3 - but I accept there may be some outliers on the bell-curve to the 'if everyone reclines' solution. It's also true that the angle at which the IFE screen can be adjusted during recline varies greatly between airlines (some have considerable movement, some almost none).

But if you are much taller than 6'3 you're going to have problems in general with a standard economy seat these days

 

[Stealthflyer]

Man filmed after allegedly punching woman's reclined seat: Who is in the wrong?

Man filmed after allegedly punching woman's reclined seat: Who is in the wrong?

A video posted on Twitter has reignited the debate over whether it's OK to recline your seat on a flight.

www.traveller.com.au

I don’t know how people can back either of these passengers. They seem so petty. The man is creepy and aggressive and the day-reclining woman’s video and online shaming is also mean in its intent. They both come across as horrible people.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Apparently, before the footage, he allegedly punched her seat back.... rather than the persistent tapping we see there? So she was trying to get him to do the punching thing again.

 

[blackcat20]

I don’t know how people can back either of these passengers. They seem so petty. The man is creepy and aggressive and the day-reclining woman’s video and online shaming is also mean in its intent. They both come across as horrible people.

You've got to wonder how that man behaves at home, if he's that worked up about a reclined seat on a short flight....

 

[Forg]

The argument used by anti-seat-recliners is that when someone reclines, it takes up the space of the person behind.

The flaw with this argument is that they have the option to maintain the total amount of space if they too recline.

Why must the argument be 'I don't recline so no one else should either' rather than 'if everyone reclines there is no issue'

There are obviously some exceptions to this... it seems the passenger in that particular last row had no recline at all. That's the fault of the airline... or the passenger buying a 'basic' fare with no seat selection, rather than the recliner.

There are options for anti-recliners to avoid seats where someone can recline into them.

There’s no simple answer, except to fly in a premium class.

However, the Evil Recliner argument of “yeah but why doesn’t the person whose face I’m reclining into recline as well?” ignores the fact that the reclining takes away the reclinee’s ability to use IFE or read a book/magazine or in fact do anything but semi-sit there wishing they could get to sleep in such an unnatural & uncomfortably upright position.

Why should the Evil Recliner be able to take away someone else’s ability to deal with the flight?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

.. or in fact do anything but semi-sit there wishing they could get to sleep in such an unnatural & uncomfortably upright position.

yes yes, good point. Although the evidence suggests we need to sit reclined for health reasons BBC News - Sitting straight 'bad for backs'

 

[jb747]

The argument used by anti-seat-recliners is that when someone reclines, it takes up the space of the person behind.

The flaw with this argument is that they have the option to maintain the total amount of space if they too recline.

Which doesn't work for the person who is against a bulkhead, which was, I think, the case here.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Which doesn't work for the person who is against a bulkhead, which was, I think, the case here.

Agree - but only on select airlines, and in select configurations. Most, if not all rear bulkhead seats have full recline (despite the blanket warning on sites such as seatguru which suggest otherwise). Qantas for example has full recline on all their long haul flights - not sure about the 737s?

 

[Forg]

yes yes, good point. Although the evidence suggests we need to sit reclined for health reasons BBC News - Sitting straight 'bad for backs'

You know what. I’ve never had bak problems in my life, but I’ve had some soreness since our last trip OS which was to the UK!

OK were were in J on full lie-flats, but dammit I’m gonna blame the flight regardless.

 

[banana boy]

If the guy had punched the Evil Recliner & chucked her out the airlock, then maybe he'd have been in the wrong. But the scenarios in which the Evil Recliner ain't in the wrong are very very few.

I used to be with Forg on this one, but after I got my Gulfstream it hasn't been an issue.

 

[Forg]

I used to be with Forg on this one, but after I got my Gulfstream it hasn't been an issue.

I reckon if you unwittingly invited an Evil Recliner onto your Gulfstream they'd find a way ... maybe unbolt their seat & just dump it into your lap?

 

[mickismick]

Agree - but only on select airlines, and in select configurations. Most, if not all rear bulkhead seats have full recline (despite the blanket warning on sites such as seatguru which suggest otherwise). Qantas for example has full recline on all their long haul flights - not sure about the 737s?

I was on the rear bulkhead on a trip from SYD-LAX on the Delta B77W. The bulkhead seats didn't recline and the person in front refused to raise their seat during meal service.

The worst part was that Delta ran out of food during both meal times because the fatty's up-front ordered "special dietary" meals, and then took a serving of the normal meals as well. This meant that all of us in the back row missed out on ALL food during the flight. I asked if the Delta flight assistant would consider serving us first during the second mealtime, but they forgot and got all aggressively-defensive when we stated how unfair it was that some got 4 meals while we got none. So i guess it didn't really matter that the person in front didn't raise their seat-back after-all, and that was the last time we'll ever fly Delta metal.

I've never been on a flight with so many inconsiderate people.

 

[drron]

The woman has upped the claims now wanting the FBI involved.A legend in her own mind.
Says she is suffering "whiplash"from the "attack".

 

[Flying_man]

I hope she’s ok. Is she ok? Is she ok? Her seat was hit by, struck by, a smooth criminal.

 

[p--and--t]

The woman has upped the claims now wanting the FBI involved.A legend in her own mind.
Says she is suffering "whiplash"from the "attack".

More like a cricked neck from holding her head at a weird angle to capture the video on her mobile