Angry pax declines to Raise Reclined Seat During Service...

[lonewolf]

And I also purchased a seat on a plane that has seat back IFE and a tray table to place food and drinks or play cards or do a Sudoku and I shouldn't be forced into a recline position because of the chronic recliner in front. From memory some seats also have a handle I can use to get up from my seat.

yes both parties purchased seats, the fact is though the seats have a recline option as part of their feature for more comfort....That option is there and the button is there on the seat to be used..not just for aesthetic purposes.

 

[dajop]

It's a shame the word compromise has been struck out of the dictionary in the last few years.

In 2019 is all about ME ME ME.

 

[lonewolf]

It's a shame the word compromise has been struck out of the dictionary in the last few years.

In 2019 is all about ME ME ME.

I agree, I think thats what a lot of people are missing when it comes to flying economy as opposed to i presume business and First ( I havent flown business and first yet). In economy its all about having to compromise and understand you are flying with other people who are also trying to survive the flight and be as comfortable as possible while doing it. Whether that is reclining, or walking around or going to the bathroom often to requesting drinks. As long as they are all part of what the airlines offer as part of the fare then its hard to tell them not to do it.

It wouldnt surprise me if at some point thought only premium economy has recline and standard economy doesnt as i have noticed more and more standard economy has become what budget airlines economy seats are in terms of not many snacks, having to pay to select seats, even food is nowhere near what it used to be, no more toys, plane cards etc that they used to offer before. Premium economy is what standard economy used to be a decade or so ago.

Its probably more diffcult for people who may fly business occasionally and economy other times to handle the switch as in business from what i gather, you generally dont have to deal much with other passengers and have less chance of what they do affect you.

The only thing i am saying is if the airline has put in seats with a recline, they have obviously done it by choice to increase comfort levels for those seats. So its really the airlines choice and i guess they have decided that that recline does make it more comfortable for the majority of people who try to stretch out and sleep otherwise they would remove the recline and probably be able to fit more seats into the plane like what some budget airlines do. So really its the airlines that have done this and provided this as a service, its hard to then blame the passengers flying those airlines from using that service. I would say its really up to the airlines and it seems like they feel more people prefer having the recline option than not having it at all.

 

[JohnK]

It's a shame the word compromise has been struck out of the dictionary in the last few years.

In 2019 is all about ME ME ME.

Still in the dictionary but compromise is supposed to be a 2 way street.

In reality the expectation is the recline button is there to be used and should benefit the recliner for the entire length of the flight from ascent to descent and as witnessed in this thread the FAs don't want to get involved.

 

[dajop]

Still in the dictionary but compromise is supposed to be a 2 way street.

Aah, it might still be in published dictionaries, but is it in the dictionary of life?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

In reality the expectation is the recline button is there to be used and should benefit the recliner for the entire length of the flight from ascent to descent and as witnessed in this thread the FAs don't want to get involved.

Except for meals. You physically can't eat a meal if the seat in front is reclined (unless you take each plastic component off the tray and hold it in your hand).

in terms of compormise, if I am aware the person behind me is trying to get to the aisle I will raise my seat to allow them easier exit.

Re seats with handles (from an earlier post) - there aren't any such economy seats. There are some fixed-shell business class seats that have a handle incorporated into the outer shell - these can be used as leverage to climb over a sleeping neighbour in bed mode.

 

[Moody]

Airlines have found the solution to the MeMeMe window seat occupants who mistakenly believed that their proximity to the windows gave them special privileges. The electronic dimming function in aircraft like the 787 enforces compliance with a flick of a switch. Brilliant.

A similar solution should be possible for reclining, so that :-

• Seats raised and locked for takeoff and landing
• Seats raised and locked for meal service
• At other times pax can recline their seats, but :-
  • It works slower than the trim wheel in a 737
  • It immediately shuts down the IFE/light/call button
  • No snacks/drinks will be served

After all - pax recline to sleep rather than to restrict the room of the victim behind them, don't they?

 

[Hvr]

After all - pax recline to sleep rather than to restrict the room of the victim behind them, don't they?

No, we also recline to get a little comfort on the connecting flight after an all night economy flight from wherever.

The most recent all nighter I flew the person beside me asked the person in front of him to let him know when he was going to recline. Certainty shall said the person in front.

When the time came two people were happy to work together and both got what they wanted.

Basic respect worked.

 

[lonewolf]

No, we also recline to get a little comfort on the connecting flight after an all night economy flight from wherever.

The most recent all nighter I flew the person beside me asked the person in front of him to let him know when he was going to recline. Certainty shall said the person in front.

When the time came two people were happy to work together and both got what they wanted.

Basic respect worked.

Yeah i would say people also recline to get a different angle / better stretch for their legs and hamstrings / glutes. I find it makes a difference to the pressure always being on my glutes and lower back. Definitely a different comfort and overall better comfort.

I have no problems FAs asking to straighten the seat during meal times, i take it just the same as when they ask to straighten during takeoff and landing.

 

[Expectans Expectavi]

Re irate passenger in front - 1A demanded I turn off air vent from 2A behind him. I was 2C and strapped and belted. How should I have acted? I didn't set the vent. It was the rude attitude I didn't like.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re irate passenger in front - 1A demanded I turn off air vent from 2A behind him. I was 2C and strapped and belted. How should I have acted? I didn't set the vent. It was the rude attitude I didn't like.

You don’t have to do anything. It was not your air vent. If 1A has a problem they either self help, or ask the person in 2A to assist, or ask a member of crew for assistance.

As a pax in 2C you are under no obligation, based either on principles of manners or etiquette, to assist.

 

[clipped_wings]

How is it, with all the technology we have at our disposal - that we can lock an airline door, lock an airline toilet, or lock an IFE screen while the cabin announcement is delivered....yet we can't temporarily lock a seat recline mechanism?

 

[mannej]

How is it, with all the technology we have at our disposal - that we can lock an airline door, lock an airline toilet, or lock an IFE screen while the cabin announcement is delivered....yet we can't temporarily lock a seat recline mechanism?

What? Something like what is already in place in certain exit rows for take off and landing?

 

[Quickstatus]

[sticky beak]
Wow still going
BRB
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Really folks it’s an economy seat with limited amenity. Economy is not designed for everyone to maximise their paid for amenity at the same time. If you want to have maximum seat amenity regardless of what the adjacent passenger does, then you will have to pay more.

Cabin crew says put up seat. Passenger refuses but cabin crew does not follow through?. Bad luck. All you can hope for is some Karma to visit recalcitrant passenger.

If if cabin crew comes back and require seats up and won’t take no for an answer - to not follow a direction is breaking the rules.

Some seats have limited recline - especially with a bulkhead behind the seat.

Economy seating = lowest expectations. Really? you want to do laptop, iPad stuff, watch a movie at an acceptable position, and eat off a properly positioned tray table?. Count yourself lucky if you can do all that. But don’t expect that you can all the time. The airline does not sell Y with those expectations in mind.

Practically it all comes down to compromise. Give a little to take a little. Combativeness makes the clock tick over slower.

Reminder: Cabin Crew really don’t want to adjudicate between unhappy passengers. All they wish to do is to feed the chooks and turn the lights off. They could not care what you do with your seats after that.

Recliner passenger
obese passenger
Bad body odour passenger
Obnoxious passenger
Screaming kids passenger
Screen tapper passenger
Leave lights on at night passenger
Talk loudly passenger
Feet on bulkhead passenger

Who else is irksome?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

pretty much any passenger, according to Affers, who wants to close the shades on a day flight

 

[clipped_wings]

What? Something like what is already in place in certain exit rows for take off and landing?

Hey, my job is to come up with these brilliant ideas. There's a guy in a white coat somewhere that's supposed to design 'em.....

 

[Forg]

The guys who come to visit me in the white coats only ever seem to want to fit me with a backwards one ... ?

 

[JohnK]

Except for meals. You physically can't eat a meal if the seat in front is reclined (unless you take each plastic component off the tray and hold it in your hand).

in terms of compormise, if I am aware the person behind me is trying to get to the aisle I will raise my seat to allow them easier exit.

Re seats with handles (from an earlier post) - there aren't any such economy seats. There are some fixed-shell business class seats that have a handle incorporated into the outer shell - these can be used as leverage to climb over a sleeping neighbour in bed mode.

I think we're already aware that you're a considerate traveller.

What's clear in this thread is that not everyone behaves the same way and there's every chance they'll fall asleep in recline and crew will do absolutely nothing.

I did something naughty recently. Before take off I had this eerie feeling the person in front will recline throughout flight by the way they were constantky rocking seat. As plane started taking off and before wheels were off the ground the seat flew back. Not sure whether that was accident or intentional. I didn't wait yo find out. I pushed their seat back into normal position and nothing eventuated for the remainder of the flight.

 

[Matt_01]

This may happen if you recline.

 

[dajop]

On the topic of reclining, recently flew SIN-Europe outbound on QF A380, return on SQ A350, both in economy.

On the QF A380 flight, the passenger in front of me reclined for the entire flight from basically 5 mins after take off to pre-landing, except when instructed to put seat upright for meals (and I might add wedged their knees up into the back fo the seat in front of them, not sure if this prevented the passenger in front of them from reclining, or whether that pax didn't want to recline, but if they did, a pox on the person in front of me). There is no way I could travel on this flight without also reclining myself (IFE too close, and difficult to get in/out of) and the recline mechanism on the seat was awful, once you pressed the button you went all the way back, quickly. On the return SQ flight, recline more limited and I sat half of the flight watching IFE with my seat upright, even though pax in front had fully reclined. And when any one reclined, seats came back much more slowly. Much better for non-recliners.