Asiana 777 hull loss at SFO

[anat0l]

If this is South Korea's way to punish an airline after a fatal accident then I'm a bit concerned about their approach to safety.

How do you figure that, especially versus say a straight out large fine and/or imprisonment of senior company figures?

The punishment - by virtue of the word - is obviously purely punitive and is not intended to be a form of improving safety. That is the prerogative of the airline and their best interests is to ensure they rectify shortfalls in order to avoid future punishment, let alone other self-inflicted damage to the company.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

How do you figure that, especially versus say a straight out large fine and/or imprisonment of senior company figures?

The punishment - by virtue of the word - is obviously purely punitive and is not intended to be a form of improving safety. That is the prerogative of the airline and their best interests is to ensure they rectify shortfalls in order to avoid future punishment, let alone other self-inflicted damage to the company.

While i tend to agree with this, the issue is who this really affects. Pax can be accommodated (presumably at OZ's cost) on to other airlines... but this can have all sorts of implications for those on award tickets, and those with connections. Just a big mess.

 

[anat0l]

While i tend to agree with this, the issue is who this really affects. Pax can be accommodated (presumably at OZ's cost) on to other airlines... but this can have all sorts of implications for those on award tickets, and those with connections. Just a big mess.

I assume sorting this out for pax who are affected would still be the responsibility of OZ, so if they have to pay other carriers to get passengers rebooked, then they still bear that cost.

It would be silly if OZ could defray those kinds of inconveniences it experiences due to its punishment by making it the government's responsibility (or appointed delegate body).

OZ gets to choose when they want to start serving the ban so I'd assume they have enough time to act, get a heads up and strategically select a period which is the least damaging.

All said and done, I wonder if OZ can circumvent the ban by simply redeploying flights on the SFO route to other locations (e.g. LAX, so increased frequency). It would be mildly odd and silly in a way if this were the truth (notwithstanding that pax still need to get to SFO one way or another).

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I assume sorting this out for pax who are affected would still be the responsibility of OZ, so if they have to pay other carriers to get passengers rebooked, then they still bear that cost.

I agree the cost would be with OZ, but let's say you were on an award ticket... with only the outbound affected. The ticket would auto-cancel once the OZ flight wasn't taken to SFO, and OZ would have to try and sort that out with its partners to get tickets reissued.

 

[dajop]

All said and done, I wonder if OZ can circumvent the ban by simply redeploying flights on the SFO route to other locations (e.g. LAX, so increased frequency). It would be mildly odd and silly in a way if this were the truth (notwithstanding that pax still need to get to SFO one way or another).

SJC? With bus. Not sure if it can take 777, but NH do NRT-SJC in 787.

 

[samh004]

I am re-opening this thread to post a video that was leaked recently showing another angle of the crash.

New Video Mysteriously Hits Web Showing 2013 Asiana 214 Plane Crash from Control Tower - The Drive

[video=youtube;CHYg3gleQzA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHYg3gleQzA[/video]

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Thanks sam... agonising seconds...almost a minute... before the slides are deployed. Black smoke billowing and still - IIRC - the captain was advising against a slide evacuation. If a pilot crashes a plane they really ought to lose command and authority for what happens next. There's just too great a potential for conflict of interest.

 

[RooFlyer]

Thanks for posting that. I have to say I thought the timing/actions of the fire crews were interesting.

Edit: the Aviation Herald, recounting NTSB reports:

The six uninjured flight attendants were interviewed and reported that after the aircraft came to a stop, one of the flight attendants at 1L went to the coughpit and checked with flight crew whether an evacuation should be initiated, the flight crew instructed to not initiate the evacuation. The flight attendants at 2L saw fire outside the aircraft near seat row 10, consistent with the position of the right hand engine's position adjacent to the fuselage, and initiated the evacuation. 90 seconds after the aircraft came to a stop door 2L closely followed by 1L opened and the evacuation began. 120 seconds after the aircraft came to a stop the first emergency responders arrived on scene, about 150 seconds after the aircraft came to a stop the first fire agent was applied to the right hand side by emergency services.

Personally, after impact from that video I get:

0 - impact
13 sec plane comes to rest
30 sec: camera reacts and points to impact
1m 55sec: slides deploy
2m 26 sec: First responder arrives - a pickup
3m 0sec: second pick up arrives
3m 25sec: First water applied to downwind side of plane
3m 50sec: Second water jet applied to downwind side
4m 30sec: Fire trucks arrive on upwind side
5m: Fire truck drives right through where passengers are milling on upwind side

 

[JessicaTam]

I am re-opening this thread to post a video that was leaked recently showing another angle of the crash.

New Video Mysteriously Hits Web Showing 2013 Asiana 214 Plane Crash from Control Tower - The Drive

[video=youtube;CHYg3gleQzA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHYg3gleQzA[/video]

I get an error saying the video is restricted and I need a Google Apps account.