Ask The Pilot

  • Thread starter Thread starter NM
  • Start date Start date
  • Featured
When you get certified for a type of plane, does that include engines?

For example, if your certified for the 747, and you fly 747 with RR engines, could (and would) you also fly 747's with GE engines, or are you limited to one engine type as well?
There just needs to be some CASA approved training. When we got the RR 767s it consisted of little more than a dozen or so pages (though, of course, most were familiar with the RR from time on the 747). Whilst on the 767 we flew all three engine types interchangeably. Same with the 747.
 
From memory..what you do in the sim for B737-800 (omitting auto break, spoiler arm and other things not related to the ILS)
Spoilers would be one of the more important things to take care of....

109.5 for ILS 16R YSSY. DME 112.1. Set Nav 1 to 109.5 and activate. Nav/GPS switch set on Nav.

Turn on (if not already on) autopilot master and set your heading as per ATC vectors until established on the localiser.
I have no idea what the 'autopilot master' is, but I'd rather expect that if the a/p wasn't engaged, you'd probably not have gotten to the coughpit in the first place. What sort of approach are you going to set up? How would you make it 'establish' on the localiser?

Auto throttle as required.
What mode with you have it in? Or are you talking on/off?

Speed control. How fast? When?

Course 155 as per ILS heading, observe the HSI, capture and maintain the localiser and enter Nav mode.
Why on earth would you want to be in NAV mode? LOC or perhaps APP might be a better idea. I haven't looked at a HSI in over 20 years.

Activate approach mode once the glidescope signals you to start descending.
No, earlier, otherwise you'll either end up with it missing the g/s capture, or attempting a capture from above, which most do badly. Don't forget the MCP altitude during all of this...it's a bit of a pain when it just sits at an altitude, and doesn't go down as you expect.

Prior to touchdown disconnect AP master and flare the aircraft.
That easy eh. Firstly, if you've gotten to this point, congratulations, but why disconnect? You should have it set up for an autoland (that's what I'd do in the same circumstances, I most certainly would not be attempting to learn the vagaries of an aircraft's feel near the ground). You'll have no idea at all of the control forces needed, and will either crash into the ground, most likely with a large amount of backstick applied way too late. Aircraft will bounce, and that backstick will really give you some issues. Alternatively, you're a big strong bloke, and you overflare...more or less the same outcome, but without the initial bounce. What are you going to do with the autothrottle? Chance of getting the flare right, with no idea of the control force needed...minimal.

In real life, if I was in that situation, I would request for an experienced pilot for that particular aircraft to be put on the radio. The said pilot would then be able to guide me through the procedures in detail.
Where is the transmit switch, and how do you know what you're transmitting on?

This topic comes up in conversation with cabin crew every now and then. And the idea of calling for help always sits near the top. I always ask them to have a good look around the coughpit, to find the button...and then I'll push it. The result has mostly had them finding the button they want least.

I've taken a friend who is an avid flight simmer for a flight in the 747 sim. Whilst I will admit he did better than I expected...he did a lot worst than he hoped.
 
Spoilers would be one of the more important things to take care of....

<snip>

I've taken a friend who is an avid flight simmer for a flight in the 747 sim. Whilst I will admit he did better than I expected...he did a lot worst than he hoped.

Moral of the story: if all the pilots become unconscious on our aircraft, we're all utterly screwed.
 
How damaged was his pride JB?
His pride shouldn't have been damaged at all. I can't do his job either.... I thought he did well. His shirt was certainly saturated at the end, so he was trying hard enough.

The game of flight sim is not an aircraft. The energy is real. If you can get it onto the rails, and keep it there, with nothing outside of the script happening, then the autopilot will do the work for you. In reality, of course, we're always fiddling with the modes, adjusting speed/energy/height...and we know how to fix it when it doesn't work quite according to plan. But, as long as the autopilot stayed engaged, then there would be a chance. But, I'm sorry, I have to laugh when a non pilot thinks it would be reasonably straight forward to disconnect and fly the things.
 
Last edited:
New York would be the worst airport that I've ever operated to, but its only difficult whilst you're on the ground. Very narrow taxiways, and controllers who are, at best, unforgiving of anyone who is not a Bronx local.
That sums up New Yorkers in general when they are dealing with non-locals.
 
I have no idea what the 'autopilot master' is, but I'd rather expect that if the a/p wasn't engaged, you'd probably not have gotten to the coughpit in the first place. What sort of approach are you going to set up? How would you make it 'establish' on the localiser?

A friend of mine who is a QF 767 Captain calls it the autopilot master, his to his own I guess.. Anyway yes, the autopilot....

In terms of the approach, ATC would provide vectors. By 'establish' I am referring to when the aircraft is in the ILS signal cone.

What mode with you have it in? Or are you talking on/off?

Speed control. How fast? When?

Mode? I assume ARM, however I am not familiar with the specifics. Can you elaborate on the differences?

For speed, that obviously depends on a/c weight, flap setting and environmental factors. Aim for a landing speed of 160 kias in a B737 is what I have been told.


Why on earth would you want to be in NAV mode? LOC or perhaps APP might be a better idea. I haven't looked at a HSI in over 20 years.

Yes I was unsure with NAV. Well I guess you don't need to look at the HSI.. the PFD has all you need....


No, earlier, otherwise you'll either end up with it missing the g/s capture, or attempting a capture from above, which most do badly. Don't forget the MCP altitude during all of this...it's a bit of a pain when it just sits at an altitude, and doesn't go down as you expect.

I experienced this problem last night when I gave it a try...

That easy eh. Firstly, if you've gotten to this point, congratulations, but why disconnect? You should have it set up for an autoland (that's what I'd do in the same circumstances, I most certainly would not be attempting to learn the vagaries of an aircraft's feel near the ground). You'll have no idea at all of the control forces needed, and will either crash into the ground, most likely with a large amount of backstick applied way too late. Aircraft will bounce, and that backstick will really give you some issues. Alternatively, you're a big strong bloke, and you overflare...more or less the same outcome, but without the initial bounce. What are you going to do with the autothrottle? Chance of getting the flare right, with no idea of the control force needed...minimal.

One of the sim's failure in depicting realism since if I leave AP on the aircraft slams into the ground. I take it since the real aircraft has a radar radar altimeter it's capable of flaring itself..

Where is the transmit switch, and how do you know what you're transmitting on?

I was under the assumption the transmit switch is located on the stick.

More generally, would you mind explaining how you perform an ILS approach?

jb747 said:
But, I'm sorry, I have to laugh when a non pilot thinks it would be reasonably straight forward to disconnect and fly the things.
I understand many pilots express resentment towards "simmers' when they start talking about flying like they know what's going on but I'll take any opportunity to learn. Have I flown an aircraft before? Yes a Cessna 172 and I acknowledge it's far from a passenger jet hence my questions.
 
A friend of mine who is a QF 767 Captain calls it the autopilot master, his to his own I guess.. Anyway yes, the autopilot....
And I have 8000 hours on that aircraft...... It has autopilot 'engage' buttons on the MCP, and a 'disengage bar' just underneath. The actual disengage switch is next to the PTT button. There is no switch designated the 'master'.

Mode? I assume ARM, however I am not familiar with the specifics. Can you elaborate on the differences?
Goodness, I thought you knew this stuff. At least that was the impression earlier on. The autothrottle will not be armed. Hopefully, like the autopilot, it's active. SPEED would be a good place to start.

For speed, that obviously depends on a/c weight, flap setting and environmental factors. Aim for a landing speed of 160 kias in a B737 is what I have been told.
Actually, what I meant was how will you manage the speed on the approach? Whilst I fly approaches in which I start at relatively high speed, and decelerate through much of it, as I take more flap and the landing gear, that would not be what you would need in this situation (nor, in fact, in any abnormal situation). The safest way to manage the speed would be to decelerate in level flight, and fully configure the aircraft, before reaching the glide path. That way there would be no need for any configuration and speed changes.

One of the sim's failure in depicting realism since if I leave AP on the aircraft slams into the ground. I take it since the real aircraft has a radar radar altimeter it's capable of flaring itself..
Well, it is if it's in the right mode.

I was under the assumption the transmit switch is located on the stick.
Well, yes, it is. But so are a number of other buttons.

More generally, would you mind explaining how you perform an ILS approach?
Well, no, I'm not going to write a long treatise on the buttons I need to push, and how I'll set it up, simply because EVERY approach is different. The weather conditions differ, the approach set up will be different (i.e. ATC may have cut you in close, so that you're high, or fast, or both, or perhaps you've actually flown the entire STAR with no deviation). I may be able to fly the approach in managed NAV and SPEED right up to the point where I select APP, but just as likely I'll have used both managed and selected speed, open descent, and vertical speed, as well as heading. In fact, for a short period this morning, we looked at one approach that would have been flown in NAV and FPA.

I never disconnect the autothrust in the AB (other than at 40 feet, when the thrust levers are closed, which also disconnects it), and I used to leave it engaged in the 747 until about 500 feet. 767 was manual thrust if I was flying manually, otherwise autothrust with the autopilot.

Normally I select flap 1 at about 14 miles to run. Flap 2 at glideslope intercept. Gear at about 2300 feet. Flap 3 at 2000 and 4 immediately after. Aircraft will have decelerated from about 190-200 knots at the start, to about 138 knots by 1200 feet or so, with the power and speed stable by 1000', with the checklist complete.


I understand many pilots express resentment towards "simmers' when they start talking about flying like they know what's going on but I'll take any opportunity to learn. Have I flown an aircraft before? Yes a Cessna 172 and I acknowledge it's far from a passenger jet hence my questions.
I've got nothing against simmers. In fact, I find the level of knowledge, and attention to details, that they sometimes show, to be amazing. But, we do get annoyed when they start to think that what they do has any real relationship to the real world. I've tried the sim games. I've also flown the 'sim', and the aircraft. Believe me, all three are quite different. I'm quite prepared to accept that in some ways these games provide quite valid training...but, they are not the real thing.
 
Heh it says a lot when one can obtain the US F/A-18F NATOPS including the weapon systems chapter but not the Boeing 'equivalent' for the 737-800.....
 
Where is the transmit switch, and how do you know what you're transmitting on?

This topic comes up in conversation with cabin crew every now and then. And the idea of calling for help always sits near the top. I always ask them to have a good look around the coughpit, to find the button...and then I'll push it. The result has mostly had them finding the button they want least.

Finding the PTT switch? The memories of sitting in the turret of an M113 at night trying to remember A which way to push for radio vs intercom, and B which way to turn the light switch to get red light not white light, come flooding back. And I was fully trained and only had 2 switches to worry about.

As for calling for help, always works in the movies Airport series and Flying high. :rolleyes: :lol:

On that, is the autopilot a big blow up doll?
 
Last edited:
On that, is the autopilot a big blow up doll?
No. That's the actual pilot.

The button that I've been alluding to, and which everyone who has looked, has managed to find accidentally, and which in this case would be the worst button possible.....is the autopilot disconnect button. Both it, and the PTT, are situated so that you can push them whilst flying the aircraft, with the flying hand.
 
There just needs to be some CASA approved training. When we got the RR 767s it consisted of little more than a dozen or so pages (though, of course, most were familiar with the RR from time on the 747). Whilst on the 767 we flew all three engine types interchangeably. Same with the 747.

Cool, yeah the reson why I asked was when I was talking with the QF second officer about PMDG he mentioned that it was close to the 747, but he then added that it could have been that it was modelled on the GE engines rather than the RR engines which he was used to.


No. That's the actual pilot.

The button that I've been alluding to, and which everyone who has looked, has managed to find accidentally, and which in this case would be the worst button possible.....is the autopilot disconnect button. Both it, and the PTT, are situated so that you can push them whilst flying the aircraft, with the flying hand.

Am I right in assuming that the A/P Disconnect switch is on the left hand side sticking out towards the center of the yoke (one that is obvious and easily seen, and I'm guessing the one most people would try first if their not in the know) and the PTT button is hiding around the back of the yoke facing towards the screens again on the left hand side? Or would I simply be pressing at non-existant buttons or worse if I wanted the PTT button? (talking specifically 747's knowing that other types may be different)
 
The button that I've been alluding to, and which everyone who has looked, has managed to find accidentally, and which in this case would be the worst button possible.....is the autopilot disconnect button. Both it, and the PTT, are situated so that you can push them whilst flying the aircraft, with the flying hand.

Having got confused trying to answer the radio in nothing more sophisticated that an aluminium box, I have no illusions about how easy it would be to do on an aircraft. Following through your posts on this question, I recall that you implied the close co-location of the buttons.
 
Am I right in assuming that the A/P Disconnect switch is on the left hand side sticking out towards the center of the yoke (one that is obvious and easily seen, and I'm guessing the one most people would try first if their not in the know) and the PTT button is hiding around the back of the yoke facing towards the screens again on the left hand side? Or would I simply be pressing at non-existant buttons or worse if I wanted the PTT button? (talking specifically 747's knowing that other types may be different)
Spot on. And it's the same on 747, 767, and 380, so I presume that all of the other types are the same.
 
What shifts do you work on a long haul flight? Is there a relief captain or does a FO take over when you are resting?
 
What shifts do you work on a long haul flight? Is there a relief captain or does a FO take over when you are resting?

Flights are scheduled using CAO 48 limits to define how long we can work. Basically, up to 8 hours of flight time, or 11 hours duty, it can be done with two pilots. As it stretches out, you eventually need 3 and then 4. It can ultimately stretch out as far as 20 hours. Different airlines have differing ways of handling this. QF only ever carries one captain (unless a captain is under training or being checked) and carries Second Officers as the extras. Long haul FOs are all endorsed 'in command in the cruise' which means they can be left in charge with one of the SOs for an extended time. Other airliines carry extra captains and FOs (though a 'cruise' captain is little different to an FO, and a 'cruise' FO is basically a SO...just with different names).

The roster itself varies depending upon the time of the day according to your body clock, how much rest the various people got before the flight, and what sort of conditions you expect to encounter. For instance departing Singapore for London, by our body clock, it's about 2 am. If somebody managed a decent sleep before the flight, then the best way is to put them into the seats, and leave them there until they get tired. That will normally get you to about half way. It means that the other half of the crew get a good chance to rest. If nobody has had a decent sleep, or everyone has, then you might run shorter breaks, generally in the 2:30 to 3 hour range.
 
Turn business expenses into Business Class! Process $10,000 through pay.com.au to score 20,000 bonus PayRewards Points and join 30k+ savvy business owners enjoying these benefits:

- Pay suppliers who don’t take Amex
- Max out credit card rewards—even on government payments
- Earn & Transfer PayRewards Points to 8+ top airline & hotel partners

AFF Supporters can remove this and all advertisements

JB, may I just say that I truly appreciate your wealth of knowledge and your time responding to all the questions. Plus the nice touch of humour! Oh and I bet you've got a warm and sexy voice too :oops:

Legend!
 
JB, may I just say that I truly appreciate your wealth of knowledge and your time responding to all the questions. Plus the nice touch of humour! Oh and I bet you've got a warm and sexy voice too :oops:

Legend!
Hehe! I doubt flirting with the captain will get you upgrade in this instance.;)
 
Hehe! I doubt flirting with the captain will get you upgrade in this instance.;)

Funny you mention that. About half an hour ago I was talking to somebody who flew home on BA, via BKK on the 747. (LHR-BKK-SYD) Over the much nicer 777 via SIN, or 380 on QF.

They told me they wanted to get on the 747, because they knew the captain, and he would upgrade them. Funnily enough he wasn't on the flight.
 
Just how difficult is it to find the correct taxiway to reach the allocated gate ?

To me, some airports just seem like spaghetti junction with taxiways going to different terminals and different gates in all directions.
 

Become an AFF member!

Join Australian Frequent Flyer (AFF) for free and unlock insider tips, exclusive deals, and global meetups with 65,000+ frequent flyers.

AFF members can also access our Frequent Flyer Training courses, and upgrade to Fast-track your way to expert traveller status and unlock even more exclusive discounts!

AFF forum abbreviations

Wondering about Y, J or any of the other abbreviations used on our forum?

Check out our guide to common AFF acronyms & abbreviations.

Staff online

Back
Top