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[jb747]

Do all the small, rapid movements made on the yoke (if I have the right word) have corresponding material effect on the aircraft trajectory ? Or are they more a consequence of the jerking around with the aircraft being buffeted? Proactive or reactive?

It's called 'overcontrolling'. And no, generally he's continually cancelling any input before it has a chance to take effect. It's very common when new to type, and settles as you get the real feel of what it's doing.

About 15 seconds, someone says 'A little to the left'. Second officer? Would that be strictly necessary - to correct the captain/pilot flying?

He might be a Captain converting on to type, in which case there's a check pilot in the right seat.

About 40 secs the captain is asked something like 'Is that normal?' and the reply is something like 'Yeah, its always .... hole ...'

Which fits in with him not having been there before, and so perhaps training. Perhaps he's one of those instant captains that some here seem so in love with.

 

[RooFlyer]

He might be a Captain converting on to type, in which case there's a check pilot in the right seat.

In which case the ear buds may not have been the right choice

Looking at the video again - that coughpit looks - old! And the post touch-down chatter seems odd - & no check list? (not that I would know )

 

[jb747]

In which case the ear buds may not have been the right choice

Looking at the video again - that coughpit looks - old! And the post touch-down chatter seems odd - & no check list? (not that I would know )

The ears, I don’t get. The coughpit is a 747-400, but they are old. There is no checklist to do until they are well clear of the runway.

 

[justinbrett]

What do the RAAF call the Hornet backseaters?

WSO (Weapons Systems Operator)

 

[QF WP]

A video (only a couple of seconds long) of the FA 18 going over Story Bridge and the photographers. Would love to see their photos of the up close and personal of the pilot and plane. They look barely 50 feet from the wing tip.

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[Hvr]

Did any of our current pilots get this notice?
And did/would you read this if received?
Does anybody know if QFi or d, or any other Australian airline actually sent this out?
Thanks in advance.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/moment-pilot-announces-queens-death-midflight/news-story/c35550cb10cc195a0f81fb22c7b60f9c

 

[Saab34]

Now that is an interesting picture. If it were speedtape, it would qualify as most unusual, but, the only bit of tape that I can see is at the bottom right of the frame (near the ’no step’ boot mark). I think what you’re seeing is actually the structural surface of the wing. The paint has peeled off the carbon fibre, en masse, leaving that mix of jagged and straight edges. There’s a video on YT showing an aircraft losing a couple of square feet during landing. I wouldn’t be surprised if it lost most, or perhaps even all, of this paint, in the one flight. I’ve seen similar on some cars.

Whether the issue is poor or incorrect surface preparation when the aircraft was painted, or use of an inadequate paint system, it looks like this is becoming yet another large scale issue for Boeing. It’s possibly the same issue that AB are having with the 350.

Here is another Jetstar 787. So they have at least 3 that look like absolute lemons. The taped up wing, the grounded lighting strike, and I found this one which looks pretty ugly.

Lightning strike? How many miles do you normally stay away from lightning? No doubt management would now advise anything made from carbon- keep well away from lightning.

 

[AviatorInsight]

Did any of our current pilots get this notice?
And did/would you read this if received?
Does anybody know if QFi or d, or any other Australian airline actually sent this out?
Thanks in advance.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/moment-pilot-announces-queens-death-midflight/news-story/c35550cb10cc195a0f81fb22c7b60f9c

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Apart from a couple of red eyes (PER-SYD, DPS, et al) most flights would have been on the ground within Australia.

QFi flights may have received something like this? I’ll ask around.

 

[jb747]

Did any of our current pilots get this notice?
And did/would you read this if received?
Does anybody know if QFi or d, or any other Australian airline actually sent this out?

Given that QF was always telling us not to use the ACARS for anything non operational, I'd give it 50:50 as to whether they'd send anything out. Personally, I would not read it out in flight.

 

[jb747]

Here is another Jetstar 787. So they have at least 3 that look like absolute lemons. The taped up wing, the grounded lighting strike, and I found this one which looks pretty ugly.

I think they all look pretty ugly, but then I'm a tad biased. Interesting that they've had 787s for quite a while now, and this is only starting to show up. So, have Boeing changed the paint process, or does it take a certain amount of exposure to UV.

Lightning strike? How many miles do you normally stay away from lightning? No doubt management would now advise anything made from carbon- keep well away from lightning.

Whilst it's nice to stay about 20 miles clear of lightning, the reality is that there are many times when you simply have no choice other than flying in close proximity. Historically, it simply wasn't much of an event, doing little more than leaving some marks on the stainless steel, or removing a static wick or two. Passenger undies were probably sacrificed too. Any aircraft that cannot handle lightning strikes should not be flying. They will all be hit multiple times in their careers.

Management won't say anything.

 

[QF WP]

Given that QF was always telling us not to use the ACARS for anything non operational, I'd give it 50:50 as to whether they'd send anything out. Personally, I would not read it out in flight.

I’m pretty sure I saw video (Twitter) from onboard a BA flight in Business where they made the announcement.

Watched some of the motorcade cortège going through Dundee last night, as my wife was born in England and wanted to watch it as her mark of respect.

 

[aussiefly]

Now that is an interesting picture. If it were speedtape, it would qualify as most unusual, but, the only bit of tape that I can see is at the bottom right of the frame (near the ’no step’ boot mark). I think what you’re seeing is actually the structural surface of the wing. The paint has peeled off the carbon fibre, en masse, leaving that mix of jagged and straight edges. There’s a video on YT showing an aircraft losing a couple of square feet during landing. I wouldn’t be surprised if it lost most, or perhaps even all, of this paint, in the one flight. I’ve seen similar on some cars.

Whether the issue is poor or incorrect surface preparation when the aircraft was painted, or use of an inadequate paint system, it looks like this is becoming yet another large scale issue for Boeing. It’s possibly the same issue that AB are having with the 350.

Definitely Speedtape JB. I've flown on 3 x 787-8's in the past few months. This is not the worst. One of Jetstars is almost twice the size of this and looks very badly applied. I counted over 200 strips on that one...Also flown a couple of -9's, they don't seem as badly affected but still have bits of tape here and there.
The paint adherence to the composite is the problem. Once the paint peels the UV starts to badly affect the material, hence the Speedtape covering until they can be properly repainted. QANTAS and Jetstar have a program scheduled with KAL's paintshop in Busan. VH- VKK is currently there and -VKI came out of there a couple of weeks back. There's been a bit of "negotiation" with Boeing re costs.

 

[jb747]

Definitely Speedtape

I know that it’s speed tape after the engineers have a go at it, but in the image it’s a slightly different colour to the tape at the bottom, and the way the jaggies progress makes me wonder if it wasn’t lost on the flight to HNL, and it hasn’t been duct taped back together yet.

Suffice it to say that it represents a new low in paintwork quality. Makes you wonder about the stuff you can’t see.

 

[pjm99au]

Longer version from the coughpit of the River Fire training

 

[Saab34]

Gents.

My last 737 landing was a bit strange. As we passed over the fence at 27 Melbourne, we then started what was like a pendulum like swinging sensation. I counted 6 back and forth swings until we touched down once passing over the fence. Was weird. Any ideas? Was thinking it was a technique or something. Was 1130pm, wind only 250/10

 

[jb747]

Gents.

My last 737 landing was a bit strange. As we passed over the fence at 27 Melbourne, we then started what was like a pendulum like swinging sensation. I counted 6 back and forth swings until we touched down once passing over the fence. Was weird. Any ideas? Was thinking it was a technique or something. Was 1130pm, wind only 250/10

Roll or yaw?

 

[Saab34]

Roll

 

[AviatorInsight]

Gents.

My last 737 landing was a bit strange. As we passed over the fence at 27 Melbourne, we then started what was like a pendulum like swinging sensation. I counted 6 back and forth swings until we touched down once passing over the fence. Was weird. Any ideas? Was thinking it was a technique or something. Was 1130pm, wind only 250/10

Roll

I would have guessed pitch. But if it’s roll. I actually don’t have any explanations for it. Did it seem to get worse the more it went on?

Seems like a bit of over controlling to me.

 

[jb747]

Seems like a bit of over controlling to me.

That was my thought too.

 

[Saab34]

I would have guessed pitch. But if it’s roll. I actually don’t have any explanations for it. Did it seem to get worse the more it went on?

Seems like a bit of over controlling to me.

Yes seemed to, however they seemed to have corrected it just as they entered the flare, certainly didn’t land level though I will say that. Conditions pretty calm right down until they disconnected, then they started swinging about.

AV is that a hard thing to exit from once you have entered what I assume is over controlling roll? Obviously correct the other way to stamp it out to then reverse it back again and the process seemed to continue.