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Yes seemed to, however they seemed to have corrected it just as they entered the flare, certainly didn’t land level though I will say that. Conditions pretty calm right down until they disconnected, then they started swinging about.

AV is that a hard thing to exit from once you have entered what I assume is over controlling roll? Obviously correct the other way to stamp it out to then reverse it back again and the process seemed to continue.
The best way to stop any kind of Dutch roll (official term) is to actually let go of the controls.

Might seem counterintuitive but it lets the aircraft get back to its trimmed state before you then readjust.
 
AV is that a hard thing to exit from once you have entered what I assume is over controlling roll? Obviously correct the other way to stamp it out to then reverse it back again and the process seemed to continue.
If you're overcontrolling, the cure is to literally stop. The video of the Narita landing a few pages back was a pretty good (i.e. horrid) example of it. The corrections "the other way to stamp it out" are literally the problem, as they're being input before the aircraft settles, and instead of damping the motions, they'll add to them if you get out of phase.
The best way to stop any kind of Dutch roll (official term) is to actually let go of the controls.
Dutch rolling and overcontrolling in roll aren't the same thing, though one can lead to the other, and the cure is the same.
 
JB, QF still conducts pilot training flights? Can I ask why they do this vs using the sim? I don’t see many other airlines at all doing this no doubt due to cost. Great to see the investment in training btw.

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JB, QF still conducts pilot training flights? Can I ask why they do this vs using the sim? I don’t see many other airlines at all doing this no doubt due to cost. Great to see the investment in training btw.
If you look at the QF6114 history on FR24, it's been used to do a lot of short flights between Melbourne and Avalon of late. At a guess, they'll be giving each of the already qualified 330 Captains/FO who are returning a couple of quick takeoffs and landings before sending them back out into the real world.

The sim training is very good, but they do not completely replicate the real world. Good enough for most things, but that last 100' especially, simply is not the same when looking at a screen image versus the real thing.

Circuit training has reduced dramatically over the years. When I was doing SO to FO training on the 747 Classic, each of us got 5 hours at Avalon. It was down to 2 hours by the time I moved to the 767 (arguably, it could have done with more and the 747 less). Nothing for the 380. At the moment though, the company is dealing with people who, in most cases, have been doing no flying or two or so years, so it seems pretty sensible to do a little in the aircraft. The A380 Captains got two take offs and landings each.
 
I loved watching this (albeit the commentary is a bit gushing some times :) ) - esp the low level fly-by at 2:-00.


Wikipedia tells me that Endeavour had a 'dry mass' of 78 tonnes, which I think is a lot less than a full B747 fuel payload. How do you think the B747 would handle? Would the shuttle's wings give appreciable lift? The B747 landing looked effortless - took a while for the nose to get down, which I guess is understandable!
 
I’ve watched plenty of arrivals and departures from Queenstown over the last week… this has included some from the bus to the ski fields where the aircraft are well below you.

Are there additional requirements for pilots operating into ZQN, such as specific sims?

Given the terrain, are procedures for things like one engine out any different than for AU airfields which are relatively terrain free in comparison?

To give other readers context, the highest peak in the area is Double Cone at -8,000ft, though it’s basically abeam the threshold of RWY23. But most surrounding peaks are in the 7,000’s.
 
Wikipedia tells me that Endeavour had a 'dry mass' of 78 tonnes, which I think is a lot less than a full B747 fuel payload. How do you think the B747 would handle? Would the shuttle's wings give appreciable lift? The B747 landing looked effortless - took a while for the nose to get down, which I guess is understandable!
There’s some interesting reading on the net about this subject. Weight-wise it isn’t a problem. Landing with about 20 tonnes of fuel, would give you a weight of around 270 tonnes. The max landing weight varied across the models of 747, but was somewhere between 250 and 290 tonnes. Structurally they’d obviously modify it to whatever standard they wanted. The 747 was quite benign at any mid to heavy landing weight.

The interesting question is that of the chosen angle of attack for the shuttle. Was it mounted to be neutral, or did it contribute something to carrying itself. On the release trials it was producting a lot of lift, but you wouldn’t want that, and the associated drag, if you were just carrying it about. My guess is that it was very close to neutral, and being a delta would be quite insensitive to AoA changes from the carrier.
 
I’ve watched plenty of arrivals and departures from Queenstown over the last week… this has included some from the bus to the ski fields where the aircraft are well below you.

Are there additional requirements for pilots operating into ZQN, such as specific sims?

Given the terrain, are procedures for things like one engine out any different than for AU airfields which are relatively terrain free in comparison?
AV has possibly operated there, and will be able to give more information. QF/Jetstar had specific requirements for anyone operating there, with sims covering the approaches, any possible go arounds and the various engine out permutations.

Any airport with high terrain nearby will have procedures for engine failures on departure. Queenstown is probably more complex than most, but places like Hong Kong required specific tracks to be flown, depending upon just where you were when the engine failed. This is the sort of thing that is covered in the coughpit departure briefings. Even places like Melbourne had the potential to be embarrassing, as the terrain rises to the north. These procedures are developed by the performance engineering department of the airline, and then approved by CASA/local authority. It’s something that someone like Bonza will have to come up with, as it isn’t provided for them, and would be one of the many steps to getting an AoC.
 
Are there additional requirements for pilots operating into ZQN, such as specific sims?

Given the terrain, are procedures for things like one engine out any different than for AU airfields which are relatively terrain free in comparison?
Unfortunately, I haven't operated there yet. At the moment, it's only Captain's take-offs and landings at ZQN anyway.

There are additional sims and extra training that is required per year for those pilots.

In regards to one engine inop missed approaches, the RNP missed approach procedure safely navigates the aircraft around the terrain.

Full use of the autopilot is mandatory at ZQN.
 
Further to my question about ZQN above… by coincidence today I saw NZ635 go missed on approach to RWY05.

If I had to take a (not very educated) guess, I’d say exceeded tailwind limit because landings switched to RWY23 immediately after that.

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But given the terrain it’s certainly not a simple U-turn.
 
JB - if an A380 was in the final approach phase of a flight and within sight of the runway, how strong would the wind need to be to blow the plane off course and require the pilot to correct things?
 
JB - if an A380 was in the final approach phase of a flight and within sight of the runway, how strong would the wind need to be to blow the plane off course and require the pilot to correct things?
All aircraft are affected by crosswind in the same way, so it doesn't matter if it's an A380 or a 737. Even in very light crosswinds, you need to correct for their effects. It may be barely visible, but if you did nothing about a 1 knot crosswind, from 1,000', then by the time you reached the runway it would have moved you 140 feet downwind. You'd miss the runway entirely.

Of course the air mass isn't totally homogeneous, so you're constantly making corrections both left and right, and anything less than about 5 knots simply disappears into those corrections.
 
I flew from TSV to SYD on Saturday. We had a very dramatic descent into Sydney where about 5mins from landing an approx 3yr old child got loose and was running up and down the isle. Flight attendants were already strapped in their seats. They calmly asked for the parents to secure the child several times. No one responded. When we were very close to landing the attendant demanded that someone immediately secure the child. A woman got out from her seat and picked up the child. The child then managed to open 2 overhead bag lockers while the adult carried them back to their seat.

We landed within 1min of the adult and child sitting and with 2 overhead lockers open.
I did feel like our landing was quite late on the runway as my initial impression when I saw the domestic terminal below was that we were going to abort landing.
Fortunately everyone was OK and no overhead luggage fell from any compartments. I noticed upon exiting the plane the child and a young teenage girl sitting next to her remained on the plane. The adult who picked up the child had already exited.

I would love to know what is communicated to the pilots in this scenario? To what level are they made aware of what is happening in the cabin? Are there consequences for this sort of thing occurring?
 
A question for @jb747. I think most of us are aware that QF’s 380 fleet is not operating reliably and is stretched very thin at the moment. That said, I’ve now had three friends delayed separately in the last few weeks on OQH…and by delayed, I mean between 7 and 14 hours. On two of three occasions, the reason given has been “issues with an upper deck door” and on the third, no specific reason was given other than a “technical problem”.

Is the door seal a common 380 issue, or one that has arisen after the aircraft spent a lot of time sitting in the desert during covid? Or is it possibly related to one of the doors being sealed off during the latest refurbishment, in which case I assume accessibility is an issue?

And why do you think it is that the issue keeps recurring? It seems strange that the same issue is recurring, so would that be a reflection on QF’s current maintenance capabilities?
 
We landed within 1min of the adult and child sitting and with 2 overhead lockers open.
Less than a minute…so call it 500’. The cabin crew would not ring the coughpit, and even if they did, nobody would answer.
A question for @jb747. I think most of us are aware that QF’s 380 fleet is not operating reliably and is stretched very thin at the moment. That said, I’ve now had three friends delayed separately in the last few weeks on OQH…and by delayed, I mean between 7 and 14 hours. On two of three occasions, the reason given has been “issues with an upper deck door” and on the third, no specific reason was given other than a “technical problem”.
Strange to have been told anything about what the issues were. To any of the staff you’d interact with, it would simply be a technical problem, and that would almost certainly be the limit of their knowledge of any issue.
Is the door seal a common 380 issue, or one that has arisen after the aircraft spent a lot of time sitting in the desert during covid? Or is it possibly related to one of the doors being sealed off during the latest refurbishment, in which case I assume accessibility is an issue?
There were some door issues in the early days of the aircraft, but I never had any problem in 5,000 hours, so they certainly aren’t common. I don’t know anything about the doors that were sealed off, but the engineers would still be able to get access if they needed.
And why do you think it is that the issue keeps recurring? It seems strange that the same issue is recurring, so would that be a reflection on QF’s current maintenance capabilities?
It seems to be a bit of a leap to assume the issue is door seals, when all you’ve been told is that it was ‘issues with a door’. An issue seems to have occurred twice. We don’t know if it was the same issue or not. There are numerous systems and sensors involved with doors.

As for QF’s maintenance, I have no idea, as I don’t see it day to day any more. I suspect though, that certain people are belatedly coming to realise that it’s much easier to shut something down than it is to start it.
 
I flew from TSV to SYD on Saturday...

I would love to know what is communicated to the pilots in this scenario? To what level are they made aware of what is happening in the cabin? Are there consequences for this sort of thing occurring?
The landing gear is taken around 2,000ft (roughly 3mins to landing). At that point, the cabin manager will announce "cabin crew be seated for landing". This indicates that the landing gear has been extended and the 'no contact' period has commenced.

The 'no contact' phase does not permit the cabin crew to initiate communication with the flight crew regardless of the circumstance.

Only cabin-to-cabin communication via the interphone is permitted during the 'no contact' period for safety-related matters only.

So no, the pilots wouldn't have known anything was going on in the cabin.
 
Can you hear the PA announcements in the coughpit from the cabin? I can hear autopilot chimes and what not generally when seated in the first few rows.
 
Can you hear the PA announcements in the coughpit from the cabin? I can hear autopilot chimes and what not generally when seated in the first few rows.
Yes and no. In the aircraft that I flew, not a great deal of noise came through from the cabin. If you listened out for it, I guess you'd hear that something was being said, but I doubt that it would be all that clear. Or perhaps that was my hearing.

Having said that, we can select the PA as part of our intercom system, and I used to keep it on, at very low volume, once the normal introductory PAs had been done. I was listening for the automated PAs that come with depressurisation, as they've been known to go off in error. If you selected PA transmit in the coughpit, you could override and stop any such announcement.
 
Yes and no. In the aircraft that I flew, not a great deal of noise came through from the cabin. If you listened out for it, I guess you'd hear that something was being said, but I doubt that it would be all that clear.

'Sounds like' what we pax can hear of coughpit announcements. I've just returned from a 7 sector domestic trip on QF and every time, in business or forward economy I really struggled to make out the coughpit greeting after take-off.
 
JB and AV I have noticed pretty much the large majority of pilots I have seen across my travels in recent weeks now wear the Apple Watch. Is this common amongst the troops? And what’s wrong with the old school watch!
 
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