Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[hydrabyss]

Evidently some extra Pfizer Doses will be allocated to NSW from the Federal Reserve (ie doses held back, and not yet allocated to any state).

Health Minister Foley in Vic has stated that he supports this.

He also commented that all Pfizer doses already allocated to Victoria, are all already allocated to vaccinations in Victoria and are required for that purpose..

Sutton on being questioned, stated that in Victoria the focus on minimising transmission and controlling the outbreak is on control and restriction measures such as face masks etc, and that new vaccinations were more a medium to long term measure.

If you where to vaccinate a country I gather you would go for your high risk areas where limiting potential spread has the best outcome for the minimal doses you have. If you read up on Canada it appears they had been in a similar position to us six months ago.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Evidently some extra Pfizer Doses will be allocated to NSW from the Federal Reserve (ie doses held back, and not yet allocated to any state).

Health Minister Foley in Vic has stated that he supports this.

He also commented that all Pfizer doses already allocated to Victoria, are all already allocated to vaccinations in Victoria and are required for that purpose..

Sutton on being questioned, stated that in Victoria the focus on minimising transmission and controlling the outbreak is on control and restriction measures such as face masks etc, and that new vaccinations were more a medium to long term measure.

I agree that yesterday's NSW governments' vaccination move is medium term measure (and I said so yesterday).

So reading between the lines there is not much more NSW authorities can do - they have effectively only allowed critical workers and seemingly have put restrictions 'close to the bone'.

Only hope is what happened in Melbourne cases continue to go up after the toughest restrictions imposed and then come down. The potential problem is Delta is faster.

 

[bcworld]

Seems like some big demonstrations happening in Sydney and some fighting with police as well.

 

[hydrabyss]

I’m frustrated because there still appears to be too many household gatherings and visiting friends/family.

I wonder how many cases are linked to the one household so a large number each day may only represent a small number of family groups.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If you where to vaccinate a country I gather you would go for your high risk areas where limiting potential spread has the best outcome for the minimal doses you have.

But what is a high risk area? For ages on this forum example we have been told by many that Melbourne is the highest risk (though I think that since last Oct things are managed well).

Melbourne has had in recent times 3 separate Delate Outbreaks and also a Kappa Outbreak.

So do you just react to the current biggest outbreak, despite that doses immediately will not in the short-term make any real difference due the numbers involved, or do you distribute vaccines based on long-term risk?

With Delta, anywhere can rapidly become a significant to major outbreak.

 

[hydrabyss]

Seems like some big demonstrations happening in Sydney and some fighting with police as well.

It sounds very similar to the issues faced in Melbourne last year.

 

[hydrabyss]

But what is a high risk area? For ages on this forum example we have been tod by many that Melbourne is the highest risk.

Melbourne has had in recent times 3 separate Delate Outbreaks and also a Kappa Outbreak.

So do you just react to the current biggest outbreak, despite that doses immediately will not in the short-term make any real difference, or do you distribute vaccines based on long-term risk?

Younger age groups than what they are currently vaccinating and people who are having to travel for whatever reason. Vaccinating someone in a regional area compared to someone in a highly populated area is another. If you only have limited supply you don't want to use it on someone who works from home compared to workers who come into contact with other people daily.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Younger age groups than what they are currently vaccinating and people who are having to travel for whatever reason. Vaccinating someone in a regional area compared to someone in a highly populated area is another. If you only have limited supply you don't want to use it on someone who works from home compared to workers who come into contact with other people daily.

Yes I agree as per my earlier post.

Focus needs to move in the short to medium term on true essential workers. Those that we need to keep working in an outbreak.

Priority to just an age band makes no sense for Pfizer (Discounting priority groups due to health or risk). Healthy office workers should not be vaccinated with Pfizer at present.

With AZ it can be more widely open.

 

[jakeseven7]

It sounds very similar to the issues faced in Melbourne last year.

Protests are far far far bigger in Sydney than they ever were in Melbourne though - ABC News just cut over to their helicopter and looks like 1000's gathering now.... looks scary.

Honestly people are just over this - they are angry now whereas when Melbourne was locked down there was no vaccine, no other option. Now we have an option but we were too slow to vaccinate and now people are furious. Can hardly blame them.

Wonder if they are wearing masks

 

[bcworld]

I believe there are large (so far peaceful) protests in Melbourne CBD as well....no sign of any masks.

 

[MARTINE]

I believe there are large (so far peaceful) protests in Melbourne CBD as well....no sign of any masks.

I just got back from my walk (wearing my mask). Man walks next to me maskless then proceeds to spit on ground in front of me.. disgusted on so many levels …

Post automatically merged: Jul 24, 2021

In Melb

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The protesters are not just anti-lockdown - many would be anti-vaxxers, many would be anti-maskers, many would be thinking other fanciful non-covid thoughts.

Does anyone have age-based stats on Australia ICU and ventilator (preferably with a comparison between Melbourne outbreak and this Sydney Delta outbreak)??? Just wondering how much better or worse Delta is on the younger age groups.

 

[MooTime]

Yet these wankers throwing items at the police.
But when these wankers need police assistance for whatever reason, I bet they'll be showing another facade.
Disrespecting authority & the community in this way & at this time just shows what type of people these dead beats really are.
I know what I'd like to do to these scum, obviously can't say here.

Time n place people, time n place.
Now is neither.

 

[MARTINE]

Yes
….I am sure they will insist their child/mother/father/sibling is operated upon by a theatre full of maskless people who don’t wash their hands if surgery is required
…..
and if they get sick they won’t need medical care because Covid is a hoax….

… Oops I see some anti-5G types texting to each other on their fruit-branded phones…. Careful !

 

[MARTINE]

The protesters are not just anti-lockdown - many would be anti-vaxxers, many would be anti-maskers, many would be thinking other fanciful non-covid thoughts.

Does anyone have age-based stats on Australia ICU and ventilator (preferably with a comparison between Melbourne outbreak and this Sydney Delta outbreak)??? Just wondering how much better or worse Delta is on the younger age groups.

Outcomes for patients with COVID‐19 admitted to Australian intensive care units during the first four months of the pandemic

The prognosis may not be as poor as overseas, but the intensive care resource burden may be greater

www.mja.com.au

It’s a little early re current stats but this article does talk about ICU outcomes from last year Vic.
Delta spreads easier and therefore cycles of infection much more rapid but it’s not clear it is more lethal.
In general if you are ill with Covid the worst prognosis indicators are
- if you are in ICU
- If you are in ICU and ventilated
You want to be vaccinated not ventilated

 

[Pushka]

Yet these wankers throwing items at the police.
But when these wankers need police assistance for whatever reason, I bet they'll be showing another facade.
Disrespecting authority & the community in this way & at this time just shows what type of people these dead beats really are.
I know what I'd like to do to these scum, obviously can't say here.

Time n place people, time n place.
Now is neither.

More than likely these are the kinds of people who attack emergency services when they are trying to assist their injured mates.

 

[moa999]

why every jurisdiction has not moved to prioritise after the most high risk groups (health workers, HQ workers, the over 70's etc), the essential worker group (

Almost all those groups were in 1a and 1b and have had ample time to get booked in and get a jab.
Unfortunately far too many people being lazy and not taking personal responsibility.

 

[moa999]

The only practical option I can think is entire households of a positive case isolate

That's already done in NSW. With Delta, it's highly likely all household contacts will contract the virus.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

That's already done in NSW. With Delta, it's highly likely all household contacts will contract the virus.

Thanks, I wasn't certain to what extent NSW was doing second ring contact tracing....and isolating

 

[RAM]

I wonder how many cases are linked to the one household so a large number each day may only represent a small number of family groups.

I wonder how many have resulted from the 452 unmentioned mystery cases?

That suggests 452 new chains then have begun which if it is just 2 others per household would add another 900+ cases. Or around 1,350 in total.

A subsequent case in the household is then linked to the mystery case as a household contact. If correct that suggests contact tracing is successfully identifying the source in less than 1 out of 3 new non-household/non-workplace cases.

Today Brad Hazzard highlighted a group of 18 getting together within a family. All subsequently became positive. Only belatedly mentioned they were attending a funeral (legally of course at the time).

Victim blaming again.