Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[ketsuzei]

my favourite stat from Don Weatherburn (NSWBoCS) in the early 2000s - counting a person who has served multiple sentences only once - out of every 10 households in NSW is someone who has served a custodial sentence.

Your previous (completely unsupported) claim was:

across Australia more than one person out of 10 has served a custodial sentence (jail time)

You should probably stay away from numbers, they appear to give you difficulty.

 

[jase05]

Andrew Clennell on Sky reporting a full state lockdown is a live option.

SIL is a teacher in Tumut and staff were given notification of a possible full state lockdown in the coming days

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Things are moving fast.

7 far west LGAs going into lockdown just reported on The Project. Bogan, Bourke, Brewarrina, Coonamble, Gilgandra, Narromine, Walgett and Warren

NSW Police rewriting the Public Health Order and more ADF to be requested. Hazzard lost the argument in Crisis Cabinet and Elliott the NSW Police minister won reported on 9.

Andrew Clennell on Sky reporting a full state lockdown is a live option.

I just read an article about your note of NSW rewriting the Public Health Orders.

Apparently its to make the intent of the "illegal" movement of people more enforceable. It sounded like the NSW Police Commissioner had a big say as well.

So notionally not to make the current stay at home requirements harsher......

* There is a note about tweaking the single bubble.

The redrafting is happening over the next 48 hours.

 

[Must...Fly!]

There was a great doco in early 2000s on the 'culture' that's developed for the 'tribe' as they were called coming in daily from Newcastle (by train) and stations south.

There were recently qualified doctors, nurses, engineers, tradies on major construction sites, cleaners, cooks etc etc.

So those who mostly cannot work from home.

It's not dissimilar in Melbourne with areas that are considered outside Melbourne metro but heavily commuter districts in every direction.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Just reading reports that restrictions in parts of Sydney/NSW are to be strengthened. I had to do a double take... only now is NSW considering banning people from going to their holiday homes? That was one of the early things in Vic... leaving the house for one of four things does *not* equal going to your holiday home!

 

[N860CR]

Just reading reports that restrictions in parts of Sydney/NSW are to be strengthened. I had to do a double take... only now is NSW considering banning people from going to their holiday homes? That was one of the early things in Vic... leaving the house for one of four things does *not* equal going to your holiday home!

Has there been a case of this virus being transmitted as a result of someone going to one of their other properties?

 

[nutwood]

Legally they don’t have the power under the Local Government Act. If someone called the police then the council staff would have to let people through.

Could be changed but Council staff aren’t the best people to be manning roadblocks - they have enough trouble with parking fines.

C'mon. When the local council doesn't want their road destroyed, it's $1000 per wheel per kilometre. With SOE powers covering their back, they could do as they pleased.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

C'mon. When the local council doesn't want their road destroyed, it's $1000 per wheel per kilometre. With SOE powers covering their back, they could do as they pleased.

Are you referring to a State of Emergency in NSW?

There is no official State of Emergency declaration in operation at the moment.

 

[Lynda2475]

There is no official State of Emergency declaration in operation at the moment.

Exactly, because a SOE is not needed to enact health orders. Last time NSW had a SOW was during the 2019/20 Bushfires.

 

[dajop]

Just reading reports that restrictions in parts of Sydney/NSW are to be strengthened. I had to do a double take... only now is NSW considering banning people from going to their holiday homes? That was one of the early things in Vic... leaving the house for one of four things does *not* equal going to your holiday home!

IIRC, Vic basically the advice (before ring of steel was implemented) was to pick one home and stay there. No going back and forth. Sensible.

 

[nutwood]

Are you referring to a State of Emergency in NSW?

There is no official State of Emergency declaration in operation at the moment.

Oops, my bad. The whole operation of law in every State has so veered from what I would consider normal, I assumed each State was operating under emergency powers.
My point remains however. If it's possible to restrict and control traffic because of rain...?

 

[Pushka]

IIRC, Vic basically the advice (before ring of steel was implemented) was to pick one home and stay there. No going back and forth. Sensible.

Same in SA and had to be at that place within a few hours of the announcement. It’s to protect communities that don’t have the same health facilities as the cities.

 

[dajop]

Oops, my bad. The whole operation of law in every State has so veered from what I would consider normal, I assumed each State was operating under emergency powers.

NSW is, and during the pandemic has always been operating under powers akin to emergency powers through specific legislation that makes a SOE declaration unnecessary (IIRC it is the Public Health Act). It is semantics though, different legislative instrument, similar powers.

 

[antycbr]

C'mon. When the local council doesn't want their road destroyed, it's $1000 per wheel per kilometre. With SOE powers covering their back, they could do as they pleased.

My day job is as a local government manager for a metro coastal council in Sydney.

We can’t shut the playgrounds as people rip the barriers down. We try to close the beaches and we get abused. We have no powers to move people on from any of our parks. We have no powers to deal with business breaches.

 

[Lynda2475]

NSW is, and during the pandemic has always been operating under powers akin to emergency powers through specific legislation that makes a SOE declaration unnecessary (IIRC it is the Public Health Act). It is semantics though, different legislative instrument, similar powers.

The difference being that the Public Health Act is ongoing and is not something special or temporary bought in for Covid that needs continual extension like a SOE. Being focussed on health it also doesnt allow for over reach as much as some of the other states SOE declarations.

Post automatically merged: Aug 11, 2021

We have no powers to deal with business breaches.

Ive found a photo and then submitting a crime stoppers case can work quite well.

 

[MooTime]

Has there been a case of this virus being transmitted as a result of someone going to one of their other properties?

I think the point being re travelling to your holiday house, it's another example of NSW not having the strictest restrictions in the country as they've claimed numerous times.

Not that it's a competition, but just looks silly saying that claim over n over.

Whole reasoning is to minimise movement to restrict the virus spread.

 

[Lynda2475]

it's another example of NSW not having the strictest restrictions in the country as they've claimed numerous times.

What other state requires all essential workers to be covid tested every 3 days before they can leave a hotspot to go to their essential job?

What other state requires construction workers to be vaccinated in order to go to work during a lockdown?

 

[blackcat20]

What other state requires construction workers to be vaccinated in order to go to work during a lockdown?

Vic didn’t exactly have that option last year

 

[N860CR]

I think the point being re travelling to your holiday house, it's another example of NSW not having the strictest restrictions in the country as they've claimed numerous times.

Not that it's a competition, but just looks silly saying that claim over n over.

Whole reasoning is to minimise movement to restrict the virus spread.

You’re cherry picking to suit your agenda.

If one owns two properties then I would say having the right to go to both is essential.

Again, there is no evidence of such actions causing any “spread” of this virus.

But we’re not concerned about actually managing the virus are we. Most just want to punish NSW for not towing the “covid zero” line.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I think the point being re travelling to your holiday house, it's another example of NSW not having the strictest restrictions in the country as they've claimed numerous times.

Not that it's a competition, but just looks silly saying that claim over n over.

Whole reasoning is to minimise movement to restrict the virus spread.

I know its not a point you raised but I think the suggestion by some that NSW rules are different to Victorian rules in relation to holiday homes is scurrilous.

The point is that NSW Police (and their lawyers?) think it might be unenforceable.

Saying something is unenforceable generally reflects an intent to do something (in this case, the rules forbidding travel to holiday homes) but lawyers or Police thinking it cannot be enforced as the rules are currently written.

I'd like someone to point to a restriction on the NSW website that says travel to holiday homes is allowed. I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist.

I could make an equally scurrilous statement/point that its my recollection that the Victoria Premier had to verbally state that travel to a holiday home is not allowed and that this is also proof that Victoria's rules are not water tight. A Premier wouldn't have to go on record to stop something if it was watertight in the rules. And don't forget verbal rules are not enforceable laws/rules. If I remember rightly in relation to releasing regional Victoria from lockdown the Victorian Premier has asked that people not travel to the region, so there are probably potential legal loopholes now may be even in respect of holiday homes.