Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Cossie]

Didn't think it would be long before for the ACT went in lockdown.

I have been surprised at the number of people not scanning in if isn't being enforced. One in particular, a Navy officer in uniform walked straight past me as I was scanning into a supermarket a couple of days ago he didn't scan in and didn't sanitise his hands, maybe he scanned on the way out, dunno.
I thought if an officer in the ADF doesn't do the right thing, I don't hold out much hope for others who wouldn't have the disciplined life he has.

I managed to get a laugh earlier today, there were two competing lines for the checkouts, one self serve, one with a cashier, as the self serve was moving faster and some one made a quip, (it wasn't nasty), I said "it's not a race"! Got to do something to liven the mood. sigh.

 

[MooTime]

I agree. No-one in my immediate family has ever ascended to the lofty heights of the 90s. My mother made 58 and my father 65. One of my grandparents made their way into their late 70s. Without wishing to sound harsh I always feel somewhat bemused when someone dying in their 90s is described as a tragedy as I always regard it as a major achievement to get so far and their life should be celebrated.

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I just watched what I think was the ACT CHO at the ACT presser. ACT have 1 case. Did anyone else think she seemed a bit panicked?

I agree I had my grandmother die in mid 90's (from Europe during WWII DOB were fiddled with).
It was no tragedy, we were sad, but really blessed her living so long, been thru so much etc etc, more proud to live that long, also in little more peace & rest at death then at times struggling in the 90's decade.

I dare say even 80's to a degree is something to be more proud about than looked at a tragedy.

With Delta knocking over those under 50 & even under 40yo, that's truly robbing a soul & family.

Delta, a Gamechanger..........

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

ACT Health still haven't got a clear line of sight as to how a Gungahlin man got it from NSW.

All/most exposure sites are effectively classed as quarantine for 14 days regardless of negative test - Vic would be calling them Tier 1. Its a long list....

 

[RAM]

What other state requires all essential workers to be covid tested every 3 days before they can leave a hotspot to go to their essential job?

What other state requires construction workers to be vaccinated in order to go to work during a lockdown?

And what other state doesn't have the result back before their next every 3rd day test is due?

 

[RAM]

Exactly. So if you’ve paid a heap in stamp duty, rates and god knows what other taxes, it’s your right to go and maintain it.

Again, this is not the end of the world, it’s a virus. Australia is just at a level of hysteria that even reasonable people have lost all sense of reality.

Exactly, you paid stamp duty, registration, insurance, petrol excise for your vehicle so you should be able to drive it however you like. Obviously. No need to take consideration of others' safety into account.

Then moving on to a legally purchased, fully licensed semi-automatic......

 

[Must...Fly!]

Exactly, you paid stamp duty, registration, insurance, petrol excise for your vehicle so you should be able to drive it however you like. Obviously. No need to take consideration of others' safety into account.

Then moving on to a legally purchased, fully licensed semi-automatic......

Going from property A to property B for essential maintenance is literally no risk to anyone, unless you happen to stop for a sit down lunch at the pub on the way.

Your examples aren't really comparable at all, as the harm from speeding is easily attributable to the suffering of another, and the misuse of a firearm the same.

 

[RAM]

Most countries celebrate their Olympians and well ................. then there is South Australia.

Australian Olympic Committee labels South Australian double quarantine as “cruel”​

Did the rules change before some of these athletes flew to Japan at the very end of July/early August?

If not, then they have nothing to complain about. If it did change then as it applies to anyone - they should not complain either.

They can be celebrated without demanding additional rights above any other citizen - I am sure there are some thousands of stranded Australians who'd love the opportunity to spend 28 days in quarantine at no personal expense if it meant they were now back.

BTW - Australian athletes who win any Olympic medal get paid a cash bonus (funded by the taxpayer I think) which pales into significance for many of them in comparison with the endorsement deals they receive. I don't know if this 'bonus' applies to paralympians (I hope it does).

 

[N860CR]

Well I guess this sums you up quite well.

You think people here want to punish NSW....my bloody goodness, I'd be pretty sure every bloody AFF wants nothing but the safest & quickest recovery for all of NSW. My goodness, to say otherwise you'd be nothing but a fool.

You say handful of deaths & extremely low % of positive cases. Yes correct, but without some sort of restrictions there'd be hellova lot more.
Everyone would have different idea of what restrictions would be appropriate, some would say none!

Id say it sums you up quite well, and all those who are pushing for further restrictions that have no evidence of being successful. The fools are those who wish to apply restrictions for the sake of it. If you honestly believe there isn’t an element of “stuff you NSW, look what you’ve done to us!” within the community then you’re very naive.

The people of NSW have endured amongst the harshest restrictions on the planet for coming on 2 months. There is nothing more that can be done. As the lockdown lovers keep saying “delta is different! DELTA! DELTA!” Can’t have it both ways.

Nobody is saying no restrictions. But it’s time in NSW to open up, keep the vulnerable at home and let the state return to normal. The fatality rate is not supporting the other damage that this prolonged lockdown is causing.

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Exactly, you paid stamp duty, registration, insurance, petrol excise for your vehicle so you should be able to drive it however you like. Obviously. No need to take consideration of others' safety into account.

Then moving on to a legally purchased, fully licensed semi-automatic......

Thats the best you could come up with

 

[dajop]

unless you happen to stop for a sit down lunch at the pub on the way.

Bingo. I suspect in many instances the maintenance is just an excuse for the latter in many instances. Often, you can pay local handypersons or tradies to do that work if it's really essential.

 

[nutwood]

Nobody is saying no restrictions. But it’s time in NSW to open up, keep the vulnerable at home and let the state return to normal. The fatality rate is not supporting the other damage that this prolonged lockdown is causing.

The problem with this is that it should be a national conversation. If not, it's just going to get messier as the Covid zero premiers double down.

 

[oznflfan]

The problem with this is that it should be a national conversation. If not, it's just going to get messier as the Covid zero premiers double down.

It's not real money that are spending though, just write checks and the future generation will have to deal with that.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Going from property A to property B for essential maintenance is literally no risk to anyone, unless you happen to stop for a sit down lunch at the pub on the way.

Your examples aren't really comparable at all, as the harm from speeding is easily attributable to the suffering of another, and the misuse of a firearm the same.

Essential maintenance or clearing for fire danger is not the issue.Going on holiday likely means you’ll need to go shopping at some point, or want to go for your morning coffee, or takeaway meals.

 

[N860CR]

The problem with this is that it should be a national conversation. If not, it's just going to get messier as the Covid zero premiers double down.

Totally agree. As it should have been from the beginning.

The other states now need to realize that they need to catch up to NSW. All this insane talk of “harsher” restrictions are purely to appease other state premiers. Let’s say we play into it and put NSW into full “weld the doors shut Wuhan style”. Will that get us to 0? Probably not. Still plenty of essentials need to be out (even if it’s just the door welders). So what do we achieve? In maybe 8 weeks we’ll get down to very few cases, at which point NSW will be 70% vaccinated so we just unweld the doors and let it go again? I’d love to know what that would achieve.

 

[drron]

I like the reports in the paper today of a 102 year old Sydney woman who was sent a letter saying she had to attend centrelink in person with proof of Identity.First of all she is in lockdown and second she is bedbound.When told of the letter the woman told her family - oh well I had better go out and get a job.
The serious point is why are Centrelink doing this whilst in lockdown.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Nobody is saying no restrictions. But it’s time in NSW to open up, keep the vulnerable at home and let the state return to normal. The fatality rate is not supporting the other damage that this prolonged lockdown is causing.

We disagree on the fundamentals in this part of your reply. I don’t subscribe to a ‘two tier’ system where we have to discriminate against the elderly or vulnerable. They have paid taxes all their life and are entitled to use the roads, shops, parks, beaches, go out for a meal with their mates like the rest of us. That’s their right.

Conveniently locking away the vulnerable probably detracts from any incentives for everyone else to contain the virus.

 

[Pushka]

Did the rules change before some of these athletes flew to Japan at the very end of July/early August?

If not, then they have nothing to complain about. If it did change then as it applies to anyone - they should not complain either.

They can be celebrated without demanding additional rights above any other citizen - I am sure there are some thousands of stranded Australians who'd love the opportunity to spend 28 days in quarantine at no personal expense if it meant they were now back.

BTW - Australian athletes who win any Olympic medal get paid a cash bonus (funded by the taxpayer I think) which pales into significance for many of them in comparison with the endorsement deals they receive. I don't know if this 'bonus' applies to paralympians (I hope it does).

The rules changed on July 30 approx and AOC were notified but did not change their plans. Everyone arriving from NSW, assuming they can get an exemption, has to go into isolation and testing for 14 days regardless of where in Sydney they have been. The change came because an older man from Sth America quarantined in Sydney and also went to hospital, was not required to quarantine in SA and brought covid back with him, sparking the Modbury closure last month and a 7 day lockdown. I think he is still in hospital. So they changed the rules.

 

[MooTime]

Id say it sums you up quite well, and all those who are pushing for further restrictions that have no evidence of being successful. The fools are those who wish to apply restrictions for the sake of it. If you honestly believe there isn’t an element of “stuff you NSW, look what you’ve done to us!” within the community then you’re very naive.

Nobody is saying no restrictions. But it’s time in NSW to open up, keep the vulnerable at home and let the state return to normal. The fatality rate is not supporting the other damage that this prolonged lockdown is causing.

How do you anticipate to keep the vulnerable at home?? That's quite a draconian restriction.

Maybe I'm naive, but I can't see anyway saying "stuff you NSW, look what you've done to us", if you mean those few nut heads in the community, well I exclude them from human life forms. Vast majority very much care for NSW residents & what their going thru, my goodness that's bloody obvious.

Time to open up now, and what will you say when 10,000 cases, say 1000 in hospital, 300 in ICU & 100 on ventilators & dozen dead everyday ranging in all age groups.

 

[N860CR]

We disagree on the fundamentals in this part of your reply. I don’t subscribe to a ‘two tier’ system where we have to discriminate against the elderly or vulnerable. They have paid taxes all their life and are entitled to use the roads, shops, parks, beaches, go out for a meal with their mates like the rest of us. That’s their right.

Yet all of those vulnerable have now had six months to get vaccinated. Perhaps they need a bit of a push.

The younger generation has lost 18 months of their lives to protect the vulnerable. They’ll also be paying back the cost of this for the rest of their lives. We’re already in a two tier system.

 

[N860CR]

How do you anticipate to keep the vulnerable at home?? That's quite a draconian restriction.

Personal responsibility. They should have been vaccinated by now. If they haven’t, they can go and do it now and wait out the weeks for it to be effective. If they chose not to, not our problem.

Time to open up now, and what will you say when 10,000 cases, say 1000 in hospital, 300 in ICU & 100 on ventilators & dozen dead everyday ranging in all age groups.

I would say that is what our hospital system is for. Didn’t we buy thousands of ventilators and setup covid wards last year? I’ve lost track of the number of nurses I’ve had crying their eyes out over the last 12 months begging for shifts.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I like the reports in the paper today of a 102 year old Sydney woman who was sent a letter saying she had to attend centrelink in person with proof of Identity.First of all she is in lockdown and second she is bedbound.When told of the letter the woman told her family - oh well I had better go out and get a job.
The serious point is why are Centrelink doing this whilst in lockdown.

There was a report of Sydney Census people out in regional NSW....