Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[MEL_Traveller]

You know they provided false information and travelled on a green zone permit ?


Exactly how do you think anyone in authority in NSW would be able to prevent that? NSW has zero oversight of the Victorian permit system.

Isn't NSW in lockdown, with restrictions on movement? How many people are legitimately supposed to be at the airport? If Vic authorities could identify false information, it must be possible for NSW to do the same.

People in Victoria at the moment who had holidays booked to Queensland - their flight might still be going, and even if QLD had no entry restrictions - they can't even travel to the airport to catch their flights.

 

[RAM]

Not just NSW Health getting behind.

Out of date COVID-19 information 'should have been updated sooner', government concedes

Critical public health information targeting diverse communities at the centre of the latest COVID-19 outbreak was almost two months out of date until the ABC raised the issue. The government now conceds it took too long to fix.

www.abc.net.au

There was also no mention of the latest expert vaccination advice to residents in outbreak areas, which is that all adults in Greater Sydney should "strongly consider" getting vaccinated with any available vaccine, including AstraZeneca.

The Federal Govt info in foreign languages was up to 8 weeks out of date, & may have used something like Google translate previously. After the ABC publicised this earlier today, by tonight most of it has been updated.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Isn't NSW in lockdown, with restrictions on movement? How many people are legitimately supposed to be at the airport? If Vic authorities could identify false information, it must be possible for NSW to do the same.

People in Victoria at the moment who had holidays booked to Queensland - their flight might still be going, and even if QLD had no entry restrictions - they can't even travel to the airport to catch their flights.

So you’d like a police roadblock at SYD checking whether or not people have passes to travel interstate ? And if they do whether or not the information entered in the Victorian entry permit is legitimate?

Sorry that’s not going to happen. The police have enough to do.

Do police in Victoria have such a road block at MEL checking passes?

 

[nutwood]

You know they provided false information and travelled on a green zone permit ?


Exactly how do you think anyone in authority in NSW would be able to prevent that? NSW has zero oversight of the Victorian permit system.

Doesn't this exactly sum up the whole sad state of affairs? Eighteen months in, this should be being addressed as a national problem.
The ACT shouldn't be shutting borders to NSW, the greater Canberra area should have been restricting traffic weeks ago. People departing Sydney should have their Victorian permit checked. Persons transiting through Melbourne airport should have their Tasmanian permit checked. It's not rocket science!

 

[Princess Fiona]

Doesn't this exactly sum up the whole sad state of affairs? Eighteen months in, this should be being addressed as a national problem.
The ACT shouldn't be shutting borders to NSW, the greater Canberra area should have been restricting traffic weeks ago. People departing Sydney should have their Victorian permit checked. Persons transiting through Melbourne airport should have their Tasmanian permit checked. It's not rocket science!

Or more simply we have a national Public Health response and contact tracing.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So you’d like a police roadblock at SYD checking whether or not people have passes to travel interstate ? And if they do whether or not the information entered in the Victorian entry permit is legitimate?

Sorry that’s not going to happen. The police have enough to do.

Do police in Victoria have such a road block at MEL checking passes?

Yes! The police should be out enforcing restrictions on movement. Part of that could include access to the airport and other forms of inter- and intrastate transport.

 

[nutwood]

Or more simply we have a national Public Health response and contact tracing.

Can't argue with that. Bring it on!

 

[Must...Fly!]

Yes! The police should be out enforcing restrictions on movement. Part of that could include access to the airport and other forms of inter- and intrastate transport.

I can assure you with 100% certainty they are doing exactly that as I type this in Victoria.

I can also assure you that no Police force in Australia has the ability nor capability to complete the task you outline.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I can assure you with 100% certainty they are doing exactly that as I type this in Victoria.

I can also assure you that no Police force in Australia has the ability nor capability to complete the task you outline.

A couple of days working an airport checkpoint - appropriately publicised - might be enough to act as a deterrent. These are things which could be done to stop the spread. Victoria's ring of steel was implemented - not popular with police - but they still did it.

 

[moa999]

Or more simply we have a national Public Health response and contact tracing.

Blame our founders in the late 1800s who reserved certain powers for States including Health and Education.

Maybe at some point in the future this might make the states delegate more powers back to the Commonwealth (like the Corporations Law) but I doubt it.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Blame our founders in the late 1800s who reserved certain powers for States including Health and Education.

Maybe at some point in the future this might make the states delegate more powers back to the Commonwealth (like the Corporations Law) but I doubt it.

Good grief no! Look at Cth managed aged care vs Vic state run aged care. If we'd followed the Cth model we'd have had no lockdowns, no internal border controls, and no working from home. All things which were critical in the policy of getting to zero.

 

[Must...Fly!]

A couple of days working an airport checkpoint - appropriately publicised - might be enough to act as a deterrent. These are things which could be done to stop the spread. Victoria's ring of steel was implemented - not popular with police - but they still did it.

And not a single Police officer nor ADF member was used to check outgoing domestic passengers from Melbourne airport.

Was that a failure of the Victorian government?

Get over it, it's not happening. You are again expecting 100% compliance from a species which proves time and time again it can not be relied upon to be truthful and follow the rules, for any number of reasons.

All things which were critical in the policy of getting to zero.

Ah, the mythical unicorn!

 

[RAM]

Calm down. Perhaps he caught it after church.

At this stage you have no idea of where in the chain he is.

Hoping that someone was not infectious does not equate to not being calm?

As you have been previously advised this wasnt a breakthrough case as the staff member who started the outbreak was only partially vaccinated.

Three fully vaccinated staff members at Liverpool Hospital caught it from the 1st infected staff member = 3 breakthrough cases, sorry. Since then 6 more staff have tested positive - vaccination status unknown.

Dr Chant has confirmed that surveillance testing for HQ and Hospital workers is prioritised, what evidence do you have that test results were not returned within 24 hours?

Multiple media briefings this week & last. Today even Gladys qualifed the priority testing as 'in most cases'. Most = 50.1% or more, not all. Priority testing from The Hunter taking up to 4 days (as reported by local MP).

Noting that all of the deaths in the Liverpool Hospital cluster were in people over 60 who were not vaccinated despite being eligible for months with comorbidities (6 in geriatric ward and one in the urology ward).

So, in your mind, it is fine to go into hospital for one reason and die of something else caught in hospital? Once again, with no detailed personal knowledge - you see fit to victim blame. Qualified to work in Brad Hazzard's office if not doing so already then!

So all the people confined to Disability Care facilities 24 x 7 are to blame for the Federal Govt still not getting the private sector provider, Aspen, to administer the 1st dose to over 30% of residents - despite undertaking to have them all fully vaccinated by Week 6?

LHDs are much larger than LGAs. But today Bayside LGA was added to areas of concern and is in South Eastern LHD. Sydney LHD includes Strathfield LGA and Burwood LGA which were also added today, plus Inner West which got a warning. Burwood, Strahfield and Kogarah have all been mentioned more than once over the past 2 weeks.

Yes, I got that one wrong. Turns out SE LHD goes even further than you mention - all the way down to the Southern end of the Royal National Park towards the top of the Bulli Pass & Warranora Dam. Looking at the postcode breakdown however still has near constant daily infections across Woolahra & Randwick LGAs.

 

[nutwood]

Blame our founders in the late 1800s who reserved certain powers for States including Health and Education.

Maybe at some point in the future this might make the states delegate more powers back to the Commonwealth (like the Corporations Law) but I doubt it.

Isn't it the case that anything wasn't mentioned became a State responsibility, rather than specific reserved powers? I'm hoping someone with actual knowledge helps here because I don't want to research it but things like electricity that were barely invented came under the States by default because no-one considered an Australia wide power grid. Ditto pretty much everything that State Governments control.

 

[Tiki]

As unfortunate as that is, it is a separate issue. Attending a funeral affects everyone, not just the young, fit and healthy. The vulnerable and elderly also want attend funerals. Under the alternative two-tier proposal, only the fit and healthy would be able to attend, while those in the older age group would be prevented.

The alternative proposal asks for 100% empathy for the fit, and zero empathy for the vulnerable. That's not acceptable to me and I'd rather be in an 'all in this together' model and make equal sacrifices.

There are other options that do not require such draconian sacrifices of vaccinated people.

V&Es can be provided with similar hazmat suits like the people at testing sites wear. If these suits can protect people in close contact with positive cases, it will protect V&Es as well.
The organizers of funerals and weddings can designate a particular section for V&Es that others are not allowed to enter. But it is the choice of the V&E to use that section or not, but if they don't it is their own risk.

I think people should be making their own choices as to what risks they accept and living their lives and taking personal responsibility for their own heath and stop demanding everyone else give up their LIVES (as opposed to existances) for their convenience. Pretty much everything can be done online. Family should be taking responsibility to train their members who don't know how to use technology or do it for them.

 

[bcworld]

Origins of the Newcastle outbreak.


Newcastle COVID-19 outbreak caused by Sydney woman who allegedly lied to police twice

Sydney woman believed to have caused Newcastle COVID-19 outbreak allegedly lied to police twice

It is alleged a 21-year-old woman twice defied police orders to return to Sydney before spreading the virus in Newcastle over several days.

www.abc.net.au

 

[drron]

At least 3 people have flown from MEL to Tasmania when Victoria has been in LockdownSo really hypocritical pointing the finger at NSW Government for letting people fly from SYD without permits.
Maybe the pass should be shown at Check in.I was asked in April last year for my pass when checking in on a VA flight from BNE-MEL.
Not been asked this year even though on 1 occasion I have had to have an Essential traveller pass.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Origins of the Newcastle outbreak.


Newcastle COVID-19 outbreak caused by Sydney woman who allegedly lied to police twice

Sydney woman believed to have caused Newcastle COVID-19 outbreak allegedly lied to police twice

It is alleged a 21-year-old woman twice defied police orders to return to Sydney before spreading the virus in Newcastle over several days.

www.abc.net.au

Yes it’s rather depressing.
You can have all the public health orders in the world but all it takes is one muppet who thinks it’s all a big joke.
I suspect in the days before Delta a lot of this stuff existed in multiple jurisdictions and flew under the radar.
But not now.
I just hope we can get enough of us vaccinated before Delta has a chance to spread and mutate here into something worse.
We are sitting ducks for that to happen.

 

[Seat0B]

Yep. Many Defence Force personnel work in Canberra and live in NSW

And some people even live in Canberra and work in surrounding NSW.

 

[Seat0B]

ACT exposures sites...good effort making it to church!

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Yep, wonder what he did at the Fiction Bar on Saturday night that warranted turning up to church on well less than 5hrs sleep (allowing for commuting home to Gungahlin after the bar and from there to Woden for church)