Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jakeseven7]

Who wants more rules and restrictions to have to follow?

Here in Melbourne it seems like that is trending toward inevitability;

Says the Herald Sun;



Feels like the government is playing Russian roulette with the trust and buy in from the community.

I agree I think all governments are on tightrope now…. the response on social media to Sydney’s curfew has been… let’s say ‘coldly received!’!

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Obviously they have deployed rapid testing of all close contacts again.

Of the 11 new cases (12 cases), at least six are family (not household) members of the initial case.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428608879886159872

Wastewater detections has been very accurate at predicting future cases.

 

[jakeseven7]

Not sure what you mean by that.
It certainly was the headline. So not fiction, at all.

And I did watch the media conference, and commented afterwards - well before seeing the headline - that I thought that she was on the verge of tears.

So, no. Not fiction.

I actually thought I heard her choke up once. Can’t blame her really. But who cares anyway if she did, she is human.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I agree I think all governments are on tightrope now…. the response on social media to Sydney’s curfew has been… let’s say ‘coldly received!’!

I am keenly awaiting the Victorian governments announcement.

I know some on here would accuse me of hating on the Victorian government unnecessarily but it is not just Victoria that has this problem, as you say. Every interaction I've had over the past fortnight in Melbourne (which admittedly isn't many...obviously) tells me the government was on its last hurrah last week.

 

[pagingjoan]

I actually thought I heard her choke up once. Can’t blame her really. But who cares anyway if she did, she is human.

Agree. My reaction was totally sympathetic.
Who would have any of those jobs at present?
(My earlier post of the headline was in response to differing views expressed in posts today on the tone of the media conference.)

 

[jakeseven7]

I am keenly awaiting the Victorian governments announcement.

I know some on here would accuse me of hating on the Victorian government unnecessarily but it is not just Victoria that has this problem, as you say. Every interaction I've had over the past fortnight in Melbourne (which admittedly isn't many...obviously) tells me the government was on its last hurrah last week.

I feel the same for NSW, VIC and QLD is one more lockdown away from something breaking too. We had such poor compliance as well during the last lockdown…

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Now only an exposure site in Bendigo (see blow), and not a case, but Shepparton is a very busy regional hub and people travel far and wide from and too it. It is not at all a sleepy country town and has many industrial and commercial industries. Regional population is almost seventy thousand.

So notifications such as below are probably shooting out rapidly at present.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428599543721914374

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Obviously they have deployed rapid testing of all close contacts again.

Of the 11 new cases (12 cases), at least six are family (not household) members of the initial case.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428608879886159872

Which is why I would not be hesitating at Lakes Entrance now.

Wastewater detections has been very accurate at predicting future cases.

Well based on past form, not sure why Victorian authorities are not calling a press conference to announce a resumption of Statewide lockdown to re-include regional Victoria

 

[justinbrett]

Yes it is all fully detailed as are all the assumptions. And as you have read it you should know why the Doherty Modelling does not apply to reaching Phase B (80%) with a high level of community cases.

ie In the Doherty Report the modelled scenarios to get to Phase B are all premised on the seeding of infections by only 30 individuals.

Epidemic simulations assume a population size of 24 million. Infection outputs reflect the range of results observed across 20-30 separate model runs for each scenario. We assume that a single outbreak involving 30 individuals initiates community transmission at the time of transition to Phase B, once target vaccine coverage is achieved. Each simulation is run for 180 days after this initiating date. As immunisation rollout is ongoing, achievement of future vaccine targets is indicated as relevant, in relation to evolving epidemics.​

So if NSW get back only 30 individual cases, and also if the other assumptions detailed in the report are also valid then yes the Doherty Modelling is relevant. If not then it simply isn't.

I guess my argument is that NSW does not have a high level of community cases - yes, by fortress Australia standards - but considering Doherty models daily cases getting to 60K per day, I don't think we need to throw that modelling out the door - it's not going to be substantially different. According to WA they are going to be updating the modelling - but it's updating, not a completely different scenario.

UK never got back to 30 cases. They opened up at 50K daily cases. Cases dropped.

I think behind closed doors NSW has done its own research as well, specifically a lot with Canada. No doubt there is a lot of information both levels of government aren't sharing with us. NSW seems hell bent on their strategy though, and I support them, the covid zero strategy is just ludicrous at this point.

 

[justinbrett]

Well based on past form, not sure why Victorian authorities are not calling a press conference to announce a resumption of Statewide lockdown to re-include regional Victoria

Perhaps there will be a tweet later tonight?

 

[N860CR]

Some in this thread calling for deaths not to be discussed at the pressers, but its important to highlight how those choosing not to get vaccinated are the ones who are dying.

Absolutely. It should be discussed. Arguably that’s the only thing that should be. But the messaging has to change. Less “tragically xx people died”, “thoughts and prayers with the family” and more “there have been xx_ deaths in people eligible to be vaccinated, however were not” and “my message to families is take your parents to be vaccinated if you don’t want them to become another statistic”.

There’s way too much coughfooting around with rhetoric given we’ve literally got the military on the street enforcing curfews and police stopping people and demanding papers. That’s what causes public discontent; a softly-softly political stance while there is harsh and severe enforcement going on in the background.

 

[OATEK]

Which probably is why they have only been used when people are not meant to be out and about late at night anyway. So a curfew is not one of the first restrictions that will be gone to.

The only real key difference is that people cannot shop late at night. Pubs, restaurants, theatres, gyms etc are already all closed and household visits are also banned. There is very little that one can legitimately do anyway.

Agree, but my brother works at SYD until after 11pm some nights. Always exceptions.

 

[jase05]

Meeting currently taking place, sounds like Dan is going to drop the hammer further

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428604361370791942

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

An interesting point on the NSW changes is the removal of asymptomatic testing of authorised workers effective from 23/8, but we might not have seen the last of the high testing numbers.

On 30/8, it is replaced by rules allowing authorised workers to leaving their LGA where either they are going to a worksite with a rapid antigen test (I guess mainly covering those unvaccinated, but of course applicable to all workers) or they have had 1 dose (the three week after 1st dose requirement that construction had has not been specified on the NSW media release).

Childcare workers and disability workers are only on the 1 dose by 30/8.

NSW seem to be 'quickly' opening up and taking risk of the three week window to vaccine effectiveness.

 

[justinbrett]

Agree. My reaction was totally sympathetic.
Who would have any of those jobs at present?
(My earlier post of the headline was in response to differing views expressed in posts today on the tone of the media conference.)

I don't need to read the media to tell me how to interpret other people's emotions... and it wouldn't be like the media to sensationalise the story...

OP was painting a picture that all the presenters were "stressed and emotional" and that is absolutely fiction. Did some get emotional at times? Yes. They were articulate, appropriate and delivered the desired message to perfection. "stressed and emotional" means something completely different to me..

 

[jakeseven7]

Predictable as night following day how the new Sydney restrictions have gone down…

——

Wealthy Sydneysiders calling for a tougher lockdown got what they wanted, at no cost to them​

I live in a local government area “of concern”. The news from Friday’s press conference ricocheted around my community like a bullet. There were tears, disbelief, anger. My friends and neighbours have been trying so hard to do the right thing for so long, yet the screws have tightened even further. It wouldn’t feel so oppressive if Sydney was “all in this together”, but there’s no longer any pretence of that.

Police drive up our streets, cycle along walking tracks and check on us from helicopters. I’m a white, middle-class woman who has never had an adverse encounter with law enforcement, but it’s difficult to avoid a sense of panic when a squad car slows to check on me as I watch my kids scootering up the lane.

As it happened: State lockdown extended for one month as NSW records 642 new local COVID-19 cases, four deaths; Victoria, ACT cases continue to grow

NSW will make coronavirus vaccines mandatory for all health workers, Victorian authorities are concerned about small transgressions in Melbourne and everyone over the age of 16 will be eligible for their recommended COVID-19 jab by the end of the month.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Pom-DownUnder]

Meeting currently taking place, sounds like Dan is going to drop the hammer further

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428604361370791942

Cant have someone with tighter restrictions than him
He has to be the hardest around or he gets upset

 

[justinbrett]

Predictable as night following day how the new Sydney restrictions have gone down…

——

Wealthy Sydneysiders calling for a tougher lockdown got what they wanted, at no cost to them​

I live in a local government area “of concern”. The news from Friday’s press conference ricocheted around my community like a bullet. There were tears, disbelief, anger. My friends and neighbours have been trying so hard to do the right thing for so long, yet the screws have tightened even further. It wouldn’t feel so oppressive if Sydney was “all in this together”, but there’s no longer any pretence of that.

Police drive up our streets, cycle along walking tracks and check on us from helicopters. I’m a white, middle-class woman who has never had an adverse encounter with law enforcement, but it’s difficult to avoid a sense of panic when a squad car slows to check on me as I watch my kids scootering up the lane.

As it happened: State lockdown extended for one month as NSW records 642 new local COVID-19 cases, four deaths; Victoria, ACT cases continue to grow

NSW will make coronavirus vaccines mandatory for all health workers, Victorian authorities are concerned about small transgressions in Melbourne and everyone over the age of 16 will be eligible for their recommended COVID-19 jab by the end of the month.

www.smh.com.au

I mean I agree. It sends the wrong message for NSW and VIC to be locked down alone. We should lock down the entire country - we're all in this together right?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Predictable as night following day how the new Sydney restrictions have gone down…

——

Wealthy Sydneysiders calling for a tougher lockdown got what they wanted, at no cost to them​

I live in a local government area “of concern”. The news from Friday’s press conference ricocheted around my community like a bullet. There were tears, disbelief, anger. My friends and neighbours have been trying so hard to do the right thing for so long, yet the screws have tightened even further. It wouldn’t feel so oppressive if Sydney was “all in this together”, but there’s no longer any pretence of that.

Police drive up our streets, cycle along walking tracks and check on us from helicopters. I’m a white, middle-class woman who has never had an adverse encounter with law enforcement, but it’s difficult to avoid a sense of panic when a squad car slows to check on me as I watch my kids scootering up the lane.

As it happened: State lockdown extended for one month as NSW records 642 new local COVID-19 cases, four deaths; Victoria, ACT cases continue to grow

NSW will make coronavirus vaccines mandatory for all health workers, Victorian authorities are concerned about small transgressions in Melbourne and everyone over the age of 16 will be eligible for their recommended COVID-19 jab by the end of the month.

www.smh.com.au

Is the headline misleading? Unless unbeknown to me the segment of Sydney journalists asking for tougher lockdowns are wealthy......

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Agree, but my brother works at SYD until after 11pm some nights. Always exceptions.

Working is not a problem. The curfew does not apply to people who have a valid reason to be travelling.

Workers just have to have on them the online permit. My daughter who works at a major hospital, and who regularly has to start or finish between 9PM and 5AM has indicated how much quieter the roads are during a curfew.


As an aside, the boyfriend of my daughter was on the way to work at 5AM in the previous curfew when he had stopped due roadworks on a freeway, only to have a carload of joyriding young ladies slam into his stationary vehicle at 60-80kkmph. His vehicle was written of ad he suffered a TBI and was in hospital for many days.