Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

Status
Not open for further replies.
i am just praying there will be not be an outbreak in NSW as a result of people travelling to Sydney and Bryon Bay in school holidays. The number of cases suggests the genie might have been out of the bottle before the restrictions were put in place.
Suddelny Queensland border restrictions don't look so silly do they?
 
Pushka said:
The rhetoric in SA came as close to "elimination" as you can get. Every day without a positive was cause of much celebration. Then perhaps two weeks ago it shifted to management instead of elimination which was a good thing. Trouble is a large proportion of the population much preferred the elimination word and are very vocal in expressing their dislike of any kind of new normal.
Click to expand...
Well of course everyone would like elimination :). And with New Zealand achieving it (maybe), it seemed a possible goal. I am sure various states would love to just cut themselves off until a vaccine was found.

However I have listened to pretty much all the CMO press conferences and they always said suppression was the goal and that having flattened the curve, earlier than expected, we could open up, but to expect hot spots from time to time which would require localised lockdowns again. I think the Melbourne outbreak has been way worse than they expected but hopefully it can be contained and we can go back to small hot spots from time to time.
 
There are going to be some serious ethical questions to be dealt with in the lock down of buildings.

Darryl the addicted person urgently needs some heroi_ or he will start 'cold turkey' withdrawal. Do the police provide him with methadone under medical supervision?

Matt the meth addict urgently needs some 'ice'. He will behave very erratically and violently unless he gets some and soon. What do you do?

Angela the alcoholic has run out of alcohol and has no money to buy anymore. Withdrawal from alcohol without medical supervision for an addict will cause many adverse outcomes. Angela has no intention of going sober and is a long-term and very heavy drinker.

In all of these situations supply is illegal, yet it will ensure safety on the estate.

Other matters that should probably be considered, free and unlimited internet for all residents. Anything to keep them busy, maybe even a television streaming service?

Same with phone calls.

Obviously food and provisions need to be supplied. And if the residents are desperately poor and don't have money? Will they be provided for free for the duration of the lock down?

There will somehow need to be a timeout room where a person can be taken to relieve the pressure on a residence.

There are myriad other matters that will need to be dealt with.

I really hope that for all concerned these matters have been considered and workable solutions prepared.

It will be a social tinder box and one spark will set it off.
 
Flying mermaid said:
Well of course everyone would like elimination :). And with New Zealand achieving it (maybe), it seemed a possible goal. I am sure various states would love to just cut themselves off until a vaccine was found.

However I have listened to pretty much all the CMO press conferences and they always said suppression was the goal and that having flattened the curve, earlier than expected, we could open up, but to expect hot spots from time to time which would require localised lockdowns again. I think the Melbourne outbreak has been way worse than they expected but hopefully it can be contained and we can go back to small hot spots from time to time.
Click to expand...

This is a big part of the issue. Everyone expected things to pop up, but not to this extent. We'll need to develop strategies to let us get on top of any flare ups quickly.
 
Flying mermaid said:
Well of course everyone would like elimination :). And with New Zealand achieving it (maybe), it seemed a possible goal. I am sure various states would love to just cut themselves off until a vaccine was found.

However I have listened to pretty much all the CMO press conferences and they always said suppression was the goal and that having flattened the curve, earlier than expected, we could open up, but to expect hot spots from time to time which would require localised lockdowns again. I think the Melbourne outbreak has been way worse than they expected but hopefully it can be contained and we can go back to small hot spots from time to time.
Click to expand...
Oh yes the CMO and Commonwealth were saying suppression very clearly but because of the State structure it was the Premiers in each state that were implementing the elimination message.
Post automatically merged:

Hvr said:
There are going to be some serious ethical questions to be dealt with in the lock down of buildings.

Darryl the addicted person urgently needs some heroi_ or he will start 'cold turkey' withdrawal. Do the police provide him with methadone under medical supervision?

Matt the meth addict urgently needs some 'ice'. He will behave very erratically and violently unless he gets some and soon. What do you do?

Angela the alcoholic has run out of alcohol and has no money to buy anymore. Withdrawal from alcohol without medical supervision for an addict will cause many adverse outcomes. Angela has no intention of going sober and is a long-term and very heavy drinker.

In all of these situations supply is illegal, yet it will ensure safety on the estate.

Other matters that should probably be considered, free and unlimited internet for all residents. Anything to keep them busy, maybe even a television streaming service?

Same with phone calls.

Obviously food and provisions need to be supplied. And if the residents are desperately poor and don't have money? Will they be provided for free for the duration of the lock down?

There will somehow need to be a timeout room where a person can be taken to relieve the pressure on a residence.

There are myriad other matters that will need to be dealt with.

I really hope that for all concerned these matters have been considered and workable solutions prepared.

It will be a social tinder box and one spark will set it off.
Click to expand...

Given the seriousness of everything you mentioned I suspect there was no choice. And I don't see any possibility of a time out room.
 
Hvr said:
I really hope that for all concerned these matters have been considered and workable solutions prepared.
Click to expand...

Totally agree and so far, at least in Australia, it hasn't happened totally well.

They are apparently looking at OS examples of how building lockdowns were done.

It most probably does have to be done. I truly hope the government is up to it. I'm not sure we should be too critical of them, just yet.

It's not going to be easy for anyone involved.
 
NEW - AMEX Velocity Platinum Card Benefits
Australia's highest-earning Velocity Frequent Flyer credit card:
- Earn 60,000 bonus Velocity Points
- Get unlimited Virgin Australia Lounge access
- Enjoy a complimentary return Virgin Australia domestic flight each year

AFF Supporters can remove this and all advertisements

Pushka said:
Oh yes the CMO and Commonwealth were saying suppression very clearly but because of the State structure it was the Premiers in each state that were implementing the elimination message.
Click to expand...
I guess sitting in the middle of NSW we never viewed it as possible for us long term. I can understand why WA and SA and the others having achieved it wanted to keep it that way, but it seems a difficult goal. Until this mess in Victoria, small contained outbreaks seemed likely. If they can get this back under control, then it augurs well for future outbreaks - especially if they tackle them quicker.
 
Austman said:
Totally agree and so far, at least in Australia, it hasn't happened totally well.

They are apparently looking at OS examples of how building lockdowns were done.

It most probably does have to be done. I truly hope the government is up to it. I'm not sure we should be too critical of them, just yet.

It's not going to be easy for anyone involved.
Click to expand...
If there are a lot of old vulnerable people in there, then this could save their lives. Hopefully it will only be for the 5 days they have indicated. I am sure it hasn’t been done lightly.
 
Pushka said:
Oh yes the CMO and Commonwealth were saying suppression very clearly but because of the State structure it was the Premiers in each state that were implementing the elimination message.
Click to expand...
I’ve been thinking about this point......they are all on the same continuum.

We test, trace and isolate. If we do enough of a good job for long enough it’s ends up there is no more community transmission and the asymptomatic superspreaders have petered out.

Then the only leakage/source left is test, trace and isolate incoming cases through quarantine.

Our three biggest outbreaks I think have effectively been sourced from this (Ruby Princess, Vic Quarantine, NW Tas (sourced from Ruby was what I understood)).

One of the larger deaths I think is sourced from community transmission (Newmarch) which is really a failure of the person to test when with symptoms. (But perhaps understandable error at the time).

I came to the conclusion to try to not get caught up in the suppression/elimination debate.

Clearly WA and to a lesser extent/varying degrees Qld, SA, NT and Tas want no more new cases from interstate so they can bring back the old way of living without much travel. Hence the reduction in social distancing requirements etc. Thats their method to reduce community transmission. It is what it is.
 
Hvr said:
I really hope that for all concerned these matters have been considered and workable solutions prepared.
Click to expand...

i have absolutely every confidence that Premier Andrews, with several months to plan contingencies, and with the experiences of overseas break-outs to go on, will have it all under control - even down to looking after the addicted souls you refer to. Like the wink and a nudge ignoring of the BLM protest thousands, it shouldn't be a stretch for the government to let a couple of drug dealers through the dragnet to service their clients, while stopping people attend funerals, going out to visit and care for the elderly, etc. Everyone will understand.
 
oz_mark said:
This is a big part of the issue. Everyone expected things to pop up, but not to this extent. We'll need to develop strategies to let us get on top of any flare ups quickly.
Click to expand...


That prompts an interesting question. What was expected (say in volume), when and and by whom.

I would suspect (with no actual knowledge) that politicians in the national cabinet hadn't got around to that that even if the medicos had maybe pondered the subject.
 
Let's just get the Aged care situation into perspective.According to evidence given to the Royal commission into Aged Care Australia has 180000 Aged care beds which are close to 100% occupied most of the time.Of those residents 60000 die every year.

There are about 180 000 residential care beds in Australia occupied on any one day by permanent residents.4 About 60 000 permanent residents die each year and about the same number take their place.5,6 The number of residents who die in their RACF is unclear. What is known is that many thousands are transferred to hospital due to staff not having the skills, confidence, capacity, resources or back‐up to provide the care they need.7


Neglect, the recently released interim report of the Royal Commission into Aged Care Quality and Safety, concluded that “substandard care is much more widespread and more serious than … anticipated”.7
Click to expand...
https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/212/11/australian-residential-aged-care-understaffed#7
www.mja.com.au

Australian residential aged care is understaffed

Australian residential aged care is understaffed
www.mja.com.au www.mja.com.au
 
So, several glasses of wine later. I have consumed alcohol more frequently than I have ever done in my life these days. A recent survey suggested that 30% were consuming more alcohol - my response is - what the heck are the other 70% doing! I used to only drink alcohol on Thursday through Saturday unless on holiday. Pffft, that didn't last past March.

Human beings will always make mistakes. Some stupid (think having sex with people likely to be positive, whilst on quarantine) and others are inadvertent from old habits. We naturally shake hands. We like to touch people. But this virus seizes on those mistakes. And so we have to learn to live with it. Not panic when there are positives. Try manage to isolate those at risk as much as possible. Accept there will be sadness. And just get on with life.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Become an AFF member!

Join Australian Frequent Flyer (AFF) for free and unlock insider tips, exclusive deals, and global meetups with 65,000+ frequent flyers.

AFF members can also access our Frequent Flyer Training courses, and upgrade to Fast-track your way to expert traveller status and unlock even more exclusive discounts!

AFF forum abbreviations

Wondering about Y, J or any of the other abbreviations used on our forum?

Check out our guide to common AFF acronyms & abbreviations.

Recent Posts

Currently Active Users

... and 62 more.
Total: 771 (members: 112, guests: 659)
Back
Top