Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jakeseven7]

And of course the anti-vax brigade will cost taxpayers a lot of money providing treatment.

Pandemic Medicare surcharge of +x% to those not fully vaccinated so they can contribute towards the burden they will place on the healthcare system.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

We were involved early on in drafting this...we put up strong resistance that 70 yo would be the cut off for ICU admissions! I can tell you the public will not be happy with this triage process!

20-yr-old non-vaxxer out clubbing gets ICU and a ventilator above Aussie war veteran who risked their life for the country. That doesn't seem fair

 

[drron]

These ICU guidelines are just that a guide.However if you go outside the guidelines be ready to explain yourself.
As now a General Physician the majority of my patients are over 70 and many with co morbidities.Over the last few years the problem has arisen on quite a few occasions where the family wants ICU admission when it is clearly not indicated.Fortunately this has mainly happened where the Intensivist in charge is a woman so usually she and I sit down and explain why ICU admission is inappropriate.Most then realise the futility.

However age is just one of the factors and I had an occasion where the 80 year old who had no co morbidities and still worked got the ICU bed over a 57 year old who had at most 6 months to live.Despite our conversations the sister of the 57 year old made an official complaint as well as telling the Health Minister.As everything had been comprehensively documented those complaints were dismissed.

 

[jase05]

Up around 100 in Victoria today but hopefully most are linked and cases in the wild are down.

 

[jakeseven7]

Up around 100 in Victoria today but hopefully most are linked and cases in the wild are down.

Its 92

 

[jase05]

Its 92

Obviously restrictions won’t be lifted this Thursday but hopefully Dan doesn’t go harder

 

[Rembrandt]

Wow 92 cases for Vic today. Frustratingly, this outbreak isn't going to end for a couple of months at this rate. I don't know how some people are going to financial survive these lock downs when the financial support from the federal government isn't what it was like last year.

Considering we're fighting the delta strain coupled with rule breakers, I can't see the Andrews government greatly lifting restrictions until at least 70% fully vaccinated. Many small businesses are simply going to dissolve.

I guess sooner rather than later many people will be underpaid contract workers for the big gig economy companies...

 

[jakeseven7]

Wow 92 cases for Vic today. Frustratingly, this outbreak isn't going to end for a couple of months at this rate. I don't know how some people are going to financial survive these lock downs when the financial support from the federal government isn't what it was like last year.

Considering we're fighting the delta strain coupled with rule breakers, I can't see the Andrews government greatly lifting restrictions until at least 70% fully vaccinated. Many small businesses are simply going to dissolve.

I guess sooner rather than later many people will be underpaid contract workers for the big gig economy companies...

This outbreak was never going to end… just like NSW, ACT…. The original NSW outbreak has just sparked the introduction and spread of the virus all across Australia, it’s really just a matter of time now before it gets everywhere…. I personally think it will be in all states by Christmas, if not earlier.

 

[justinbrett]

Obviously restrictions won’t be lifted this Thursday but hopefully Dan doesn’t go harder

He has floated the idea, maybe a NZ style lockdown.

Even NZ (who had 82 yesterday) are talking about making their lockdown stricter. I don't know how you go any more strict than NZ unless you start welding doors shut.

 

[Rembrandt]

20-yr-old non-vaxxer out clubbing gets ICU and a ventilator above Aussie war veteran who risked their life for the country. That doesn't seem fair

Well it will have to get to the point where those who refuse to get vaccinated have to pay their own way for their covid hospital treatment (if they're not on a private plan). No doubt private health insurance compaies will raise premiums for those who're not vaccinated.

 

[Pushka]

So what am I missing?

We must currently have several thousand people in NSW who have tested positive to COVID. They can isolate at home if well enough. We have perhaps up to 5000 people coming in from overseas who have tested negative to Covid just prior to flying, but they go straight to med hotels so can't isolate at home, having regular tests, and no contact. Even though negative at the time. And currently just one or two of that cohort may eventually test positive. But if at home (they could come under the same category as a close contact) - isolate and test etc so no risk.

 

[jase05]

This outbreak was never going to end… just like NSW, ACT…. The original NSW outbreak has just sparked the introduction and spread of the virus all across Australia, it’s really just a matter of time now before it gets everywhere…. I personally think it will be in all states by Christmas, if not earlier.

Only a matter of time now

 

[Rembrandt]

This outbreak was never going to end… just like NSW, ACT…. The original NSW outbreak has just sparked the introduction and spread of the virus all across Australia, it’s really just a matter of time now before it gets everywhere…. I personally think it will be in all states by Christmas, if not earlier.

For sure, this is the Delta strain. With so many people still allowed to travel around for work (e.g. delivery and truck drivers) there is noway in fully stopping the spread. State governments are just putting out spot fires. Consdiering how many delta cases are in NSW now, there is no way we can get to zero covid.

 

[jakeseven7]

Only a matter of time now

Absolutely, our family in Tassie are just waiting for it to appear there - they are all fully vaccinated now (by hook or crook!) and want to see everyone for Christmas. They know this means Tassie will see cases but also know by Christmas people will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated and it’s just time to move on….

 

[Pushka]

Only a matter of time now

I really hate it when you post warnings. While I say the same thing, it's a guess, but you always seem to know a bit more.

 

[jakeseven7]

For sure, this is the Delta strain. With so many people still allowed to travel around for work (e.g. delivery and truck drivers) there is noway in fully stopping the spread. State governments are just putting out spot fires.

Yup, I think people are just head in the sand about how many people (‘essential’) are crossing the borders every single day. And those people are carrying vital freight, supplies or crossing for work only they can do.

We are still flying people in and out of hotspots! Even to and from WA. It’s going to spread everywhere.

 

[jakeseven7]

I really hate it when you post warnings. While I say the same thing, it's a guess, but you always seem to know a bit more.

Everyone knows it’s going to be everywhere it’s hardly a state secret. You could post a warning every day and probably be right .

SA could easily already have 20 cases walking around after the truck drivers or something else unrelated that just hasn’t been picked up yet.

So yes it’s really just a clock ticking down for everyone….

 

[jase05]

I really hate it when you post warnings. While I say the same thing, it's a guess, but you always seem to know a bit more.

Ha, I’m off this weekend so no interactions or speculation. It’s just inevitable that we get a incursion here soon. We have that many people crossing the border daily that one will slip through the net or we have enough HQ stuff up

 

[justinbrett]

I created this for the NZ thread a few days ago, I've updated it with the latest numbers including the 92 for Victoria.

It clearly shows all of the Australian outbreaks are more or less on the same trend. Looks like NZ is the outlier but I expect that they caught it far later than they thought they did.

 

[Pushka]

Everyone knows it’s going to be everywhere it’s hardly a state secret. You could post a warning every day and probably be right .

SA could easily already have 20 cases walking around after the truck drivers or something else unrelated that just hasn’t been picked up yet.

So yes it’s really just a clock ticking down for everyone….

That's the interesting thing about those truck drivers. The dates have been added to today. Now covering the 21st - 26th which makes no sense if it was just one trip. They were tested in NSW, presumably before 21st, so with distance the 20th. Drove through SA then on to WA where they say they received their results and were put into isolation. So why the 21st now and also 26th.