Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Doesn't NSW require mandatory testing for some workers that are asymptomatic and not close contacts in order to go to work.

Still lower testing suggests that there may be a lot of undetected cases out there.

NSW has been gradually rolling back the asymptomatic/surveillance testing.

79k (NSW) and 73k (Vic) in today's numbers.

I think both States have lots of undetected cases.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I think both States have lots of undetected cases.

Called infections and yes. I think the rue of thumb is that total infections are about three times found infections (cases).

Asymptomatic infections will often be missed. Plus there are those that just refuse to get tested.

Plus as vaccinations rise it will probably be that more and more people who are vaccinated just will not bother to get tested when symptomatic, especially with mild symptoms.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

On the topic of Sydney LGAs and known positives in the last 7 days.

Using information published Friday at 12pm

Liverpool - 0.14/100 people
Wollongong - 0.13
Canterbury-Bankstown - 0.13
coughberland - 0.12
Blacktown - 0.11
Penrith - 0.08
Fairfield - 0.07
Georges River - 0.07
Bayside - 0.07
Randwick - 0.06

Has anyone heard information of when they are getting rid of LGAs of concern classification or do the work permits to leave/enter LGAs of concern expire on 11 October/80% double dose?

 

[oznflfan]

A term coined (in the Covid era) by the media and those who wish to lockdown forever.
It means that those who use that term usually only see impact of Covid as one dimensional, not the interplay between many non mutually exclusive factors

Sorry, you may not have understood me, I'll simplify and use capitals:

LET . IT . RIP

 

[Quickstatus]

Let it rip

LET . IT . RIP

Ok thanks for clearing it up!

 

[Quickstatus]

Has anyone heard information of when they are getting rid of LGAs of concern classification or do the work permits to leave/enter LGAs of concern expire on 11 October/80% double dose?

From Oct11 (unless the goal posts change)
All 2jabbers who live in Greater Sydney can travel freely within greater Sydney but not outside of Greater Sydney
All 2 jabbers in regional NSW can travel freely in regional NSW but not to Greater Sydney

Interestingly Central Coast (excised from Greater Sydney at the peak) is now considered again to be within the Greater Sydney rules.
The definition of Regional NSW is now anywhere outside of Greater Sydney, Woloongong, Central Coast, Shellharbour

 

[Lynda2475]

Has anyone heard information of when they are getting rid of LGAs of concern classification or do the work permits to leave/enter LGAs of concern expire on 11 October/80% double dose?

No more LGAs of concern come Monday, work permits only for entering regional nsw.

NSW now officially over 90% first dose and about a week away from 80% double dosed, the risk of getting seriously ill is simply just not a real concern for vast majority of greater Sydney anymore.

 

[N860CR]

No more LGAs of concern come Monday, work permits only for entering regional nsw.

NSW now officially over 90% first dose and about a week away from 80% double dosed, the risk of getting seriously ill is simply just not a real concern for vast majority of greater Sydney anymore.

It’ll be interesting to see if the move towards 80% restrictions happens a week after 70%, or if they find a way to drag it out a little.

I’m quite sure the government isn’t quite prepared and has been caught a little off guard by the fast vaccination rate.

 

[Lynda2475]

It’ll be interesting to see if the move towards 80% restrictions happens a week after 70%, or if they find a way to drag it out a little.

I will be 25th Oct, as the restrictions lift the Monday after Milestone is reached, provided we are at 80%. No need to drag it out, everyone is more than ready to get closer to normal.

 

[N860CR]

I will be 25th Oct, as the restrictions lift the Monday after Milestone is reached, provided we are at 80%. No need to drag it out, everyone is more than ready to get closer to normal.

I more mean that it wouldn’t take much for 80% to be hit a day earlier and the “Monday after” would become the 18th.

I’m not sure how the forecasts work, but if it just looks at the previous week then it’s probably a little conservative given the public holiday weekend slowed things down a bit.

 

[Quickstatus]

I’m not sure how the forecasts work

Have moved comment to the:
vaccine thread

 

[Lynda2475]

I more mean that it wouldn’t take much for 80% to be hit a day earlier and the “Monday after” would become the 18th.

That wouod be great but it doesnt look like we can hit 80% double dose by 17th for that to happen.

Howefer if we do, the main difference between 70% and 80% is numbers at venues, the 80% has no effect on return to school. So not too much extra to do get ready, just more shifts available for workers if more places choose to increase capacity straight away.

 

[OATEK]

I more mean that it wouldn’t take much for 80% to be hit a day earlier and the “Monday after” would become the 18th.

I’m not sure how the forecasts work, but if it just looks at the previous week then it’s probably a little conservative given the public holiday weekend slowed things down a bit.

Don't forget schools are going back from 18th and they will have enough on their hands that week I reckon.

 

[dairyfloss]

Don't forget schools are going back from 18th and they will have enough on their hands that week I reckon.

Only some grades return on the 18th; the rest are back on the 25th Oct, regardless of whether the 18th is the Monday after the 80% DD (which I project it will be)

 

[Princess Fiona]

That wouod be great but it doesnt look like we can hit 80% double dose by 17th for that to happen.

Howefer if we do, the main difference between 70% and 80% is numbers at venues, the 80% has no effect on return to school. So not too much extra to do get ready, just more shifts available for workers if more places choose to increase capacity straight away.

It’s quite a difference for me and a lot of others who have family in Greater Sydney and they live in the regions and vice versa.
We can see our daughter for the first time since June at 80%.

 

[jakeseven7]

Phew a day off after dealing with the masses. Came away feeling more sorry than anything for the people still not vaccinating, they have fallen down such deep conspiracy laced rabbit holes they may never find a way out… sigh.

Anyhow back on topic, looks like VIC are considering taking steps to following NSW direction of pulling back the influence and power of Dr Chant to direct agendas and doing the same to Prof Sutton.

I’d suggest this is sorely needed in SA and QLD especially as well.

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VIC government mulls giving ministers more power, reducing CHO powers​

The Andrews government is set to consider scaling back the powers of the state’s unelected Chief Health Officer and giving the Health Minister greater control over public health orders to manage the COVID-19 pandemic.

Almost two years into the crisis, as the state prepares to ease restrictions and learn to live with the virus, Labor MPs are now asking when elected officials will get the ultimate power to sign off on public health orders.

CHO could be sidelined as government mulls giving ministers more power

The Andrews government is set to consider scaling back the powers of the state’s Chief Health Officer and giving the Health Minister greater control over public health orders.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Pushka]

Phew a day off after dealing with the masses. Came away feeling more sorry than anything for the people still not vaccinating, they have fallen down such deep conspiracy laced rabbit holes they may never find a way out… sigh.

Anyhow back on topic, looks like VIC are considering taking steps to following NSW direction of pulling back the influence and power of Dr Chant to direct agendas and doing the same to Prof Sutton.

I’d suggest this is sorely needed in SA and QLD especially as well.

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VIC government mulls giving ministers more power, reducing CHO powers​

The Andrews government is set to consider scaling back the powers of the state’s unelected Chief Health Officer and giving the Health Minister greater control over public health orders to manage the COVID-19 pandemic.

Almost two years into the crisis, as the state prepares to ease restrictions and learn to live with the virus, Labor MPs are now asking when elected officials will get the ultimate power to sign off on public health orders.

CHO could be sidelined as government mulls giving ministers more power

The Andrews government is set to consider scaling back the powers of the state’s Chief Health Officer and giving the Health Minister greater control over public health orders.

www.theage.com.au

Other than transport people who are abiding by the rules, and that woman from Mt Gambier who arrived illegally into SA whilst being positive, SA has been zero for months in the community.

However CHO cancelled the November city bay fun run last Thursday with large public outcry given we currently have no community spread for months and borders will still be closed then. And the AFL footy crowd deemed acceptable, don't touch that ball. So the day after, Grant Stevens (PC) overruled and asked them to resubmit. But the organiser, who sounded shattered, has said its now in vain as they cancelled the printing and supplies on the day SA Health cancelled, to reduce their huge losses. Let alone time spent with Health getting Covid safe. They followed all their requests. The saying at the moment is that it should be called the AFL fun run. Judging from the outcry it may just have been the straw that broke the CHO Svengali hold. Marshall Premier seen as weak now. And the fact she shipped out scores of people from Mt Gambier into a bus to med hotels the same week, all of whom are negative, and shut down Mt Gambier region on the basis of one case that came to nought.

So until we hit that magic 80% in December it's tightly shut but come 80% there will be civil disobedience if CHO plans to maintain her zero target.

 

[Lynda2475]

It’s quite a difference for me and a lot of others who have family in Greater Sydney and they live in the regions and vice versa.
We can see our daughter for the first time since June at 80%.

Well i havent seen any of my family since June either.

My response was wrt businesses and government needing to take steps to be ready, as it was proposed there may not be enough time.. Allowing us to visit loved ones takes zero planning by either business or government, other than an announcement to say go ahead.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Well i havent seen any of my family since June either.

My response was wrt businesses and government needing to take steps to be ready, as it was proposed there may not be enough time.. Allowing us to visit loved ones takes zero planning by either business or government, other than an announcement to say go ahead.

Opening up travel between regional NSW and greater Sydney has a major effect on businesses.

 

[Pushka]

Well i havent seen any of my family since June either.

My response was wrt businesses and government needing to take steps to be ready, as it was proposed there may not be enough time.. Allowing us to visit loved ones takes zero planning by either business or government, other than an announcement to say go ahead.

Opening up travel between regional NSW and greater Sydney has a major effect on businesses.

Would be interesting to see a poll on how many of us have not seen close relatives in Oz and Overseas (parents, children, siblings) in over a year. It's a year ago since our son left Australia and we are unlikely to see him for another 9 months. DIL is now two years from her parents. What is most sad is that while we can somewhat expect to spend months apart for people living overseas, it's the families isolated not just from other states, that's bad enough, but intrastate? And don't get me started on people who cannot return to their own home from another state.

Victoria's numbers worry me for SA, not that we will see leakage here because we will, but that this will cause a Unicorn Zero reaction from the CHO here.